Includes the TV screen for the Maverick.
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Wow, I’ll fly it much more often then in the future!
The F.1 cockpit before was really bothering me so much that I actually flew the Mk.58 only seldomly…
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Oh, found this old video again: https://youtu.be/mc7LCQj6RBQ?si=Fb-FzRVnZVNbPagF
At 1:50 you see me working on restoring one of our Mirage Club’s AIM-9P-5’s, so yes, I’m 100% sure we had them! ;-)
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A bit of self advertising never can’t be bad ;-)
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So this thing should have all aspect aim9Ps? and what Br would that take it too?
11.0 ?
Cause i want it
AIM-9P-4 (all aspect) was used for training only, for wartime use the AIM-9P-5 was used (and is still used by F-5E), which is all aspect, smokeless motor, and has IRCCM. You can almost compare the 9P-4 to the 9L, and 9P-5 to the 9M, seeker technology wise.
With the 9P-5 I think it would be reasonable to have the Mirage IIIS at 11.7+ (like e.g. Thai F-5E FCU and SCU), and the F-5E at 12.0+ (because of much more advanced radar compared to other F-5E variants).
With 9P-4 only, that should be 11.3 for the Mirage, 11.7 for the Tiger, I find.
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Hmm I didn’t know that, I knew the P-4 was All aspect but isn’t it marginally worse than 9L?
the P-5 being iRCCM would throw this thing quite high though no? like could it be 11.7 with an IRCCM missile? the platform itself is going to be quite a substantial frame to begin with?
as it upgrades a lot on what the mirage IIIE and such lack.
Will be intersting to say the least, I do hope it gets P-5s though
you think so? remember aim9L isn’t really found on a fighter till about 11.7 / 12.0
They should have splitted out Mirages IIIs into an early and late variant. The early at 10.3 with AIM-9E and AIM-9P3 and the late variant featuring AIM-9P5s
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Still got a radar and engine from the sixties, albeit with improved aerodynamics…
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Well, could well be that an early “silver” pre-1985 Mirage IIIS would be added at a later stage, no? We also had the upgraded Hunter Mk.58 for quite a while now, and only now are getting the “original” early variant…
10.3 is already to high for any Mirage without countermeasures in my opinion.
At that Br AIM-26B will already be somewhat useless.
Compression is the issue over all of course.
I do not thinkbMirage should suffer for it.
IIIE at 10.7 with MiG-21MF/SMT being 10.3 is quite the stretch already.
ah right, I thought its engine was slightly better.
seeing as its form 88
I’d say that perhaps the Mirage IIICS could fill that gap at 9.7/10.0
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9.7? why would it be 9.7 the hunter F58 early, which is an F6 should be 9.7, the mirage 3C should be 10.0 as it is too in the french tree.
we dont want more compression.
(If thats not cool trivia i dont know what is)
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Because a Mirage IIICS would be outfitted with Falcons and AIM-9Bs, making it the counterpiece to the MiG-21S - which is 9.7.
No, the single Mirage IIIC we had (J-2201) only used the FALCO in separation tests. The necessary TARAN radar and electronics to actually guide the missiles could not fit into the shorter IIIC fuselage, which is why the IIIS was then based on the IIIE airframe (and had an even slightly larger nose) instead.
Only the IIIS could launch FALCO’s, and were originally armed with FALCOS and the AIM-9B.
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Fair enough, that makes an argument for a IIICS at 9.7 even stronger
has this been reported?
Mirage IIIC would likely be in a better position without Magic at 9.7 as well.
IIIE has no business being 10.7.
IIICJ should receive a similar treatment and we would end up with all the Cs at 9.7.