It also doesn’t deserve to be butchered in this Frankenstein way. Either do a pre-KAWEST Mirage, or the post KAWEST one, or - even better - both.
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I agree and prefer the latter myself but we really are going around in circles here.
Decompression is just as unlikely as receiving the innitial IIIS combined with a loadout adjustment as well as a subsequent Br adjustment for the IIIS C.70.
At this point I am only holding out hope for a good spot for the IIIS C.70 which I see, as described previously, at 10.3 with 9E or at 11.7+ with P5.
I am not saying it would be terrible with AIM-9P at 10.7 but it would likely be much more efficient without it since you would liky be able to rely on your aircraft first and your missiles second while a slightly better missile will, due to comoression, noy change matters entirely but still shoild create more of a uphill situation.
Unless of course you believe IIIS C.70 would stay at 10.3 with even the base AIM-9P.
If you do we need to hold a entirely different conversation.
Staying at 10.3 with AIM-9P being added is not impossible per se but it is not very likely.
Things can change too with decrompression and maybe the MM will be favorable to new BRs if this gets Ps, but right now its a bad bet.
Gaijn really needs to start adding premiums at certain BRs to stop what is happening now, there is way too many players in que at 11.3-12.0. J7D is about the only thing below there that is really spammed out enough to affect the MM much.
Id almost prefer the rotating brackets sim has just so every plane crushed by the MM at least has some time to shine, maybe give rp/sl bonus to planes lower in the bracket that day. But people that cant play everday obviously would hate that.
Feels like BR decompression is a distant memory or a fever dream at this point.
I doubt more premiums at lower Brs would be bought as much as the higher up ones due to their ability to effectivelt research the whole tech tree.
J-7D already is one of the trouble makers.
12.0 usually faces 13.0 and 12.7 to often to be a real issue.
AIM-9E is not par with AIM-9J or AIM-9L which both are encountered in BR 10.3. AIM-9L is a highly capable and pretty flare resistant high-g missile.
I am not asking to add the Flz Lwf LL 63/91 (AIM-9P5) as this would make it 11.3, but I would expect, since we got the modernised Mirage IIIS, that the come up with at least the Flz Lwf LL 63/80 (AIM-9j) or Flz Lwf LL 63/90 (AIM-9P3).
Asides from the current IR missile bug, both AIM-9j and AIM-9p3 are way better than AIM-9E and in matches you encounter several aircrafts having AIM-9j and AIM-9p3 as opponents when spanning the MIRO.
F-5E got the Flz Lwf LL 63/80 (AIM-9j) matching up with the F-4 Phantoms.
MIRO gets Flz Lwf LL 63/90 (AIM-9P3) and stays at 10.3 like A10A or J35D which feature AIM-9L, RB24j (AIM-9P3) and BR10.3. That would be nothing else but fair.
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Oh, and i forgot to mention in previous post. Don’t tell me that it is for balancing reasons that the MIRO has 2 - AIM-9E, while the J35D and J35XS have 6x AIM-9P-3 both at BR10.3
Same goes for the Sea Harrier FRS1 (early), Buccaneer S2B, dial in at BR10.3 and features two AIM-9L.
Or take a look at the Mitsubishi F1 with AIM-9P-3 at BR10 or the Harrier AV-8S, T2 at BR9.7 with AIM-9P-1.
Even the Magic 1 is better than a AIM-9E in every aspect.
Flz Lwf LL 63/80 is AIM-9P-3, 63/90 is 9P-4 and 63/91 is 9P-5. We never had AIM-9J.
I still believe the MIRO as we have ingame should get 9P-4 at 11.3 or at very least 9P-3 at 10.7.
Yeah, with the 9E the Mirage really has very subpar ordonnance compared to many aircraft it faces, and canards and CMS don’t compensate this enough…
What about the radar, its really good at 10.3 you see a lot of stuff without chaff and the falcons do well at 10.3, but any higher and you end up severly hampering these and unless the aim9p can be put on those center mounts your stuck with 2 relevant missiles instead of 4, and you sure as hell aint no f5.
The Cheetah E would funnily enough likely be a 10.3 Premium since apart from having a longer nose for CCIP and stuff, it still retained a simple radar and the same engine from the original Mirage IIIC. (this was because it was an interim aircraft while the Cheetah C’s were being manufactured.)
Can even add this one as a Premium, this is a Cheetah E. This one used to do Airshows before it went on static display.
But there is a full thread started for the Atlas Cheetahs, so I won’t continue the discussion here so this thread can stay on topic.
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Ok, my bad sorry
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You seem to have misinterpreted some points I tried to make, for instance I never said AIM-9E was as good as AIM-9P or J.
Draken should not have AIM-9L I think.
Regarding the other aircraft there are some reasons why they are placed where they are.
They are not always good reasons and often they are connected to compression.
SU-25 and A-10 should certainly be at an higher Br while T-2 and F-1 lack countermeasures for example
I responded to most of that previously and lined out some aspects regarding matchmaker, efficiency and the balancing in that particular Br bracket.
My point remains the same.
Mirage IIIS at 10.3 is a upgrade from Mirage IIIE in everything but the 2 IR guided missiles. Chances are Mirage IIIS C.70 will be pushed up if it receives anything better than AIM-9E. That is not guaranteed but more than likely.
Be careful what you wish for and please refrain from putting words into my mouth.
You know how Gaijin can be.
Am I right in understanding that the radar on this Mirage is not working correctly now and it should be better, or is everything okay with it? And if everything is not right with it, then what exactly?
That depends on what it is that you are taking away from the matter…
well, as I understand it, he should see further than 20 kilometers or not?
and is it really so bad that he sees enemies near the ground
According to newspaper of 1960th, the Mirage IIIS would have the best radar in Europe. Reality in WT, it is not …
Judging the quality of Swiss newspapers today if it comes to reliability of info, that doesn’t really fill me with too much confidence… = /
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that is, the radar will remain the same and this is not a bug but a given?
I just flew it in sim here
considering that everyone there flies at low altitudes… and I’m like a fool with a blind radar and firecrackers with an overload of 10g
To be fair I think everyone says that because no one will challenge them if its wrong as it means proving there’s a better radar and therefore showing a competitor the extent of another radars capabilities
SAAB says the same thing with the PS-01 and PS-46 radars found on the J35F and JA37 respectively
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Considering it meant European made aircraft in the 60s and that War Thunder is not even a real simulator…
You face some rather modern planes in 60s Mirage III/5 variants.
I have been playing the mirage a bit and i say, give it aim9P-3 and keep it at 10.3, like its not like there is plane with more aim9ps at the same br, or planes with better missiles overall
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