I didn’t mention AIM-9E
1 flare/rocket
AIM-9E vs magic -1 can go slightly farther but not really crazy notable
That is due to how it is being used.
Oh, I am with you that the F-5C is the worst 10.7 F-5 (or at least tied with the US F-5A).
All I’m saying is the F-5C still does fine at 10.7 with AIM-9E because it has numerous other advantages that the F-4C would not if it got bumped up due to countermeasures or better Sparrows.
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I think maybe you misread my post.
I suggested F-4B (USN) at w/ AIM-9D and AIM-7E, or F-4D (USAF) at 10.7 with AIM-9E and AIM-7E with or without AIM-4D.
I would seriously like to know where are you all getting this from. Every time I tested them magic 1 slightly outranged AIM-9E and AIM-9J.
That’s more of a problem with decompression than lowering the F5C.
The F5C should under no circumstances fight Sabres or late Mig’s. It molly whops them with ease. The F5C should fight Mig-21MF’s and stuff like that, where it can run circles around it. Yes, it won’t have the missile capacity or good missiles, but R60’s are one flared anyway.
That entire BR range needs to be decompressed though. J7D is a lower BR than the F104G and at the same BR as the F5C and F4F while being better in every way besides its gun. J35XS is too low for how strong it is. F8U should not be fighting Mig-19’s and such.
There are more examples I can’t think of right now, but it’s ridiculous. 9.0 to 11.0 may be one of the most compressed BR ranges in the game. Complete hell for any flare less planes.
maximum flight range for both is 18KM according to spec sheets
The magic 1 had great acceleration but it dumps speed quick. The 9e like the 9b has some nice glide properties. Ive managed a 4km snipe with the 9e before while i wouldnt really fire the magic beyond 2km.
please where find where i said to lower it cause your putting words in my mouth that i did not say
its not a compression problem its that the french NF5A is undertiered its a F5E model at 10.7 because premium ofc
depends before con trails where a thing i would climb to like 30k feet and orbit missile people with the A5C using its magic 1s
I never said you did. I was saying that even though that’s the case where the French one is better at the same BR, the F5C shouldn’t be lowered. Not saying you said that, but that’s the general consensus around a lot of players I’ve talked to recently.
though the F4C could beat the MirageIII in a two circle fight，it is hard to make it become true. the phantoms need to keep its speed at ≈1000 km/h，and it is not easy. Most of times the mirage could kill F4Cs by magics or a one circle fight. And the Air RB for jets is not just for the air battles，most of players likes to bomb bases. F4C is so quick to bomb and gaijin keep its BR a bit of high to make it hard to bomb，which forces the bombing players to become wallet warriors.
Your post? You didnt make the post bud. Nor was I even talking to you.
the obvious answer is the french one being put at 11.0 where it belongs its just blatant undertiered right now
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100% agree. I really don’t see how the NF-5A is at a lower BR than the F5E considering they are virtually the same plane. Is there something I’m missing or is it just because premium?
no as far as i know for all intensive purposes there the same it may lack the gun radar sight but im not 100% certain as that would not cause it to be lower by .3
I’ve played a decent bit of the F5E and have never used it if there is a radar gunsight. As far as I’m concerned, no reason for it to be .3 lower, even if it doesn’t have it.
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Maximum flight range is absolutely irrelevant in game for fox 2 especially for rear aspect. Magic 1 has 100 m/s more of total ΔV which is much more important in rear aspect shots since it lowers the time for aircraft to get away.
All the “flight range limit” parameter does is to force the missile to self destruct once it has covered the specified distance, while the statcard launch range is useless as the spec sheet itself states.
Actual range would have to be compared ingame, but assuming statshark is correct…
At sea level, the magic 1 is fastest up until the 9 second mark, at which point it’s only overtaken by the AIM-9D to finish 2nd. AIM-9E/AIM-9J/R-60 more or less the same speed initially, but the later loses more speed from drag. I’d also argue that what’s important is the distance covered before the missile goes subsonic rather than total distance, but the order remains the same.
As for the topic at hand, I don’t think the problem here is decompression per say, but really the weapons starting to make a big difference towards the competitiveness of an airframe, making unspaded planes (mirage IIIC or F4C) particularly unpleasant experiences in uptiers, while spaded planes seal club in downtiers. But by this point, it’s obvious the snail wants it this way by design to convince players to use golden eagles.
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