You have to wait until the furball starts and try to dive in. Carry rockets to be makeshift flares. Other than that, it’s not very useful.
I did not vote because I could not decide.
AIM-7E is rather decent and you receive four of them. The he Magic 1 AIM-9E comparison is similar.
The biggest issue is compression as always.
Removing Magic 1 from Mirage IIIC and putting it at 9.7 together with F-4C might be interesting. While F-4C is of course rather well armed for 9.7.
they are not comparble one is a 10G medium one is a 35G missile short range
1 is nearly immpossible to dodge unless your a 104 at the br the other is relatively easy to dodge
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You can always rely on the uncanny ability of french missiles to just miss. Magic 2s when you use them are a dice role if theyll actually ignore the flares or not. Magic 1s love to pull so hard the target falls outside the seeker gimble.
I believe he meant to compare the R530 and Aim-7E. Hard to tell honestly.
Their kits will be about the same. The Mirage will have 1 decent radar missile and 2 good IR missiles, while the F4 will have 4 meh IR missiles and 4 decent radar missiles. Mirage 3 will still be better, but it’s just a better airframe.
the F-4C is way worse than the mirage 3
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good is a understatement best missile of its tier at 10.0 for the MAGIC 1 35 G for only a little less range is crazy
AIM-9E is underated.
I am not saying that Magic 1 is not the clearly superior missile. I am pointing out that having 4 AIM-9E compared to having 2 Magic 1 is not necessarily a major disadvantage.
Which loadout is superior would heavily depend on the lobby.
To put it simply many shots I take with Magic 1 I could take with AIM-9E.
The ones that miss, sometimes due to flares or rockets would still leave me with 3 chances to position myself properly and fire at the right time.
This is also true for situations where AIM-9E is lacking the sheer g-load capacity.
It’s not surprising that the F-4C suffers in this matchup based on their kit. The AIM-7D is a 1960 missile and the AIM-9E is a 1965 missile up against the Magic I from 1975. By this time, the USAF was already using AIM-9J by this point, and the USN was using AIM-9G, which are much more capable than the AIM-9E.
The AIM-7E, which was deployed widely in 1965, would be a historically accurate addition. But this would almost certainly make the F-4C go up since it is the best radar missile on the 11.0 F-4EJ and 11.3 F-104S (even though that should be 11.0 as well). Adding this missile would bump the F-4C to at least 10.3 where it would be absolutely DOA.
The F-4C is in a tough place. It can’t really be moved up or down without major decompression. Whatever their reasons, Gaijin has been re-compressing over the last year.
Personally, I think the best solution would be to leave the F-4C as is and add an F-4B at 10.7 with AIM-9D, AIM-7E, and* countermeasures*. F-4C would remain a very difficult aircraft to use in its current state, but that is an experience skilled players could choose to take up. Players looking for a better early Phantom experience could take out the F-4B.
F-4D is also an option, but I think having AIM-9E (+/- AIM-4D) as the primary Fox 2 at 10.7 would be too weak and four AIM-7E at 10.3 would be too strong. Yes… I know F-5C only has AIM-9E at 10.7, but it is able to dogfight at a level the early F-4 can’t match.
quick correction, the f4C uses AIM-9E not D as D was used by the navy and not the airforce
aim-9E is the best 10G missile yes but it can be via maneuvering dodged the MAGIC 1 cannot provided both are fired within there respective range
the only advantage the AIM-9E has is its slightly longer range
against a flareless targets the MAGIC-1 has way higher kill potential
your comparing a AIM-9B upgrade to a 35G monster its not close
they both can be 1 flared in a uptier but at 10.0 and below the MAGIC -1 is the best missile of the tier
F5C has to face upgraded variants off itself the french F5 is premium and same br as F5C and has AIM-9Js and upgraded engines for all intensive purposes its a F5E at 10.7
AIM-9E does not have a range advantage over Magic
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It’s still a 1 flare missile with short range
In the end with two Magics you can only shoot down 2 aircraft with four AIM-9E you can shoot down 4.
Quantity has a quality of it’s own.
you cant even kill unaware players with 9E’s sometimes
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To preface, i am in no way saying the 9e is better than the magic 1. But no, the 9e has got a longer range than the magic 1.
It may have a tiny advantage though I honestly doubt it has an advantage at all,but they are both classified as very short range IR missiles either way.
9E also can get 1 flared
not necessarily
2 magic-1 guarnteed kill
4 AIM-9E is gambling mostly if they have the energy to dodge they can so yes you can get 4 but its far bigger gamble than 2 guaranteed kills
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