or we can increase the j7e br to 11.7 (with pl5c).
but he can’t be 11.3 defeating the mirage f1c
A well played corsair or F-5c will have the advantage over the F1C in a 1v1 or late game clutch, doesn’t mean they should be facing 12.0’s as same br peers. The game meta is not 1v1 scenarios but teamwork to third party people and start a snowball to get overwhelming numbers against the other team. That’s why the F-4S should be uptiered.
You have to look at the whole context.
but then you are giving an extremely specific situation while the focus on the prostate encompasses general aspects, thus creating a false equivalence of the proposed scenarios.
not only that, if the f5c can surpass the f1c we have an inconsistency with the statement that the f1c 12.0 is well placed.
entering another paradox, applying changes to f4s without changing j7e with everything that has been discussed and established so far would be tremendous hypocrisy
@HighRiskNoReward based on everything you said and stated so far, you can’t say that f4s had to move up from br without changing j7e or if j7e and f4s remain as they are, then f1c is not well placed in 12.0 and should be changed.
unless you change your mind about some of the above statements.
To be quite honest, you don’t care at all about game balance.
You only care about your own bias, and all proposals revolve around that.
You guys don’t give a damn about the health/quality/balance of the game.
You use the forum just to be annoying, or you massage your ego by correcting any micromissconseption of someone, no matter how insignificant it may be with the topic. You don’t care about the cohesion of your arguments, or how hypocritical you may be. If you manage to leave a vehicle that you like/use unbalanced in some way so that it is asymmetrical to the rest and abuse that, or you massage your own ego, you will not be satisfied.
the vast majority of interactions in this general forum revolve around these two things.
rarely do constructive criticism or constructive interactions emerge within this forum.
…and you don’t do this unconsciously, you are fully aware of this behavior.
bro what are you on about
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wait so this whole theme is started because allegedly rafal is coming to French tree? Guys maybe you should grind and not waste time here talking about br change of a plane thats really really good.
Again premium should be able to grind somewhat with consistency but it should not be OP, you should not have 5-7 kills each game…naaaah
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Well the 12.0 Phantoms are rather equivalent. They give up IR capability for improved radars and missile count.
What’s more an issue is not necessarily the Mirage 2000, F-16, and Mig-29 but the F-15, AV-8B+, Su-27, etc; the blatantly under-BR’d stuff that has no place among the F-14B.
I agree except for F-4S moving up.
F-4Junk isn’t an equivalent that’s for sure
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This makes no sense. What’s your point here? The F4S is clearly better than any other 12.0 phantom and Id rather not make those face 10.7.
If I didn’t. I wouldn’t be here saying the F1C is fine at 12.0, a jet that I fly frequently. It seems that is you who wants to create more unbalanced situations.
Are you having a fever?
I am sorry to inform you, but all those planes are better than the F1C
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i know, just a little joke.
Just noticed had 10 games in F1C-200 and 9 were uptire one was downtire… I guess 12.0 is really just upitire rank…and I can see why people would talk about Mirage to be 11.7
11.7 seems like really consistent BR rank. Like its almost 50-50% with down/up tires.
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Not the F-5 but I think all of them are better in most ways
I don’t know if it has been said yet (long thread), but it’s obviously 12.0 because people who play France and Italy are IN GENERAL better players than those who play other nations IN GENERAL.
I mean the game is full of examples. Gaijin bases their BR on very basic statistics. Things like score per match, win rates, K/D. What it does not do is account for skill in any way. Therefore, it’s BR and multiplier systems are advantageous for poor players. Because, as demonstrated by Germany, poor players tend to congregate to more “famous” vehicles. Germany’s win rate in the 6.0 to 7.7 BR’s are genuinely pathetic. It’s so bad that it forced Gaijin to move a lot of “cold war” vehicles such as the M60A1 to higher BR’s so they never face Germany 6.7.
*other nations have terrible spots too. The Abrams lineups for America. Russian T-34 lineups. Etc. The BR’s reflect average player of those vehicle skill. Not the capabilities of the vehicles themselves.
I dont know that the Mirage F1 needs to move down (even though far more questionable downtiers happen) but this plane really only has the Magic 2s.
The radar missiles basically can’t work, the radar itself is very questionable plus the missile is easily beaten by chaff, it can get fairly fast but has mediocre energy retention and acceleration, getting whipped even by Phantoms, guns are just okay, the centerline IR missile has good range but thats about it.
I really don’t know how to make this thing work when its fellow 12.0s can already handle it, forget seeing a 13.0, just go home. Hard to use a Magic when just getting on target is a chore.
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