Undoubtedly yes. The J7E only needs to flare in the headon and then will win 100/100 times
I’m going to take it as a “yep” based on this answer…but correct me if I’m wrong or misinterpreted things
Considering everything that has been said by @USA_PilotsAreBad and @HighRiskNoReward
Nothing more fair than changing the topics of discussion a little.
if j7e would beat f1c statistically/probabilistically speaking…
Just as f4s would dictate combat in any scenario against f1c
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The problem is not in mirage f1c 12.0
The problem is other planes, because the mirage f1c is an extremely consistent plane for its BR.
We can’t lower the mirage f1c to 11.7 for compression reasons, an f5c(10.7) or j35xs won’t be able to handle it.
Therefore, nothing more fair than making the following proposition;
First we would give all aspect missiles to the je7 like the pl5C for balance reasons and increase its BR to 12.0 or 12.3 (like the jh7).
Secondly, they would increase the BR of the f4s to 12.3 because it is a comfortable BR, you still continue to get the 13.0 and 13.3 with fox3 you will still face f16, mig29 and f15 and mirage 2000, however it will fall less against 12.0-11.0 decompressing these BRS.
Thus improving the performance and match ups of the mirage f1c, without compressing BR and without radical changes.
right?
is that fair enough?
Am I being unrealistic, hypocritical or demagogic with this proposition?
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I never asked for a BR reduction, if you see my initial comment I am saying the F1C deserves to be 12.0 and is well-balanced there. All I did after that was addressing some misconceptions about it or its peers.
But do you think my proposal is reasonable?
Decompression would fix a lot of problems, but that won’t happen anytime soon, and when it does it will eventually get worse again. Such is gaijin
j7e is fine as it is at 11.3, adding pl5c and a br raise will probably put it into a worse position since those only work well at rear aspect and short range anyway and it will face more and better radar missile platforms.
F4S to 12.3 yes please. (could receive aim9L to make it on par with the ej kai)
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but there we have an inconsistency with everything that has been discussed so far, his br range is 10.3-11.3.
if we establish that f1c is a well-placed 12.0 and that je7 being 11.3 can beat him because he has an advantage in most scenarios.
we can’t say he’s well placed in 11.3.
these two statements are paradoxical and cannot coexist.
If the j7e receives all aspect missiles and has the same BR as the f1c it becomes the new top dog of 12.0 and decompresses 10.3-11.3
or we can increase the j7e br to 11.7 (with pl5c).
but he can’t be 11.3 defeating the mirage f1c
A well played corsair or F-5c will have the advantage over the F1C in a 1v1 or late game clutch, doesn’t mean they should be facing 12.0’s as same br peers. The game meta is not 1v1 scenarios but teamwork to third party people and start a snowball to get overwhelming numbers against the other team. That’s why the F-4S should be uptiered.
You have to look at the whole context.
but then you are giving an extremely specific situation while the focus on the prostate encompasses general aspects, thus creating a false equivalence of the proposed scenarios.
not only that, if the f5c can surpass the f1c we have an inconsistency with the statement that the f1c 12.0 is well placed.
entering another paradox, applying changes to f4s without changing j7e with everything that has been discussed and established so far would be tremendous hypocrisy
@HighRiskNoReward based on everything you said and stated so far, you can’t say that f4s had to move up from br without changing j7e or if j7e and f4s remain as they are, then f1c is not well placed in 12.0 and should be changed.
unless you change your mind about some of the above statements.
To be quite honest, you don’t care at all about game balance.
You only care about your own bias, and all proposals revolve around that.
You guys don’t give a damn about the health/quality/balance of the game.
You use the forum just to be annoying, or you massage your ego by correcting any micromissconseption of someone, no matter how insignificant it may be with the topic. You don’t care about the cohesion of your arguments, or how hypocritical you may be. If you manage to leave a vehicle that you like/use unbalanced in some way so that it is asymmetrical to the rest and abuse that, or you massage your own ego, you will not be satisfied.
the vast majority of interactions in this general forum revolve around these two things.
rarely do constructive criticism or constructive interactions emerge within this forum.
…and you don’t do this unconsciously, you are fully aware of this behavior.
bro what are you on about
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wait so this whole theme is started because allegedly rafal is coming to French tree? Guys maybe you should grind and not waste time here talking about br change of a plane thats really really good.
Again premium should be able to grind somewhat with consistency but it should not be OP, you should not have 5-7 kills each game…naaaah
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Well the 12.0 Phantoms are rather equivalent. They give up IR capability for improved radars and missile count.
What’s more an issue is not necessarily the Mirage 2000, F-16, and Mig-29 but the F-15, AV-8B+, Su-27, etc; the blatantly under-BR’d stuff that has no place among the F-14B.
I agree except for F-4S moving up.
F-4Junk isn’t an equivalent that’s for sure
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This makes no sense. What’s your point here? The F4S is clearly better than any other 12.0 phantom and Id rather not make those face 10.7.
If I didn’t. I wouldn’t be here saying the F1C is fine at 12.0, a jet that I fly frequently. It seems that is you who wants to create more unbalanced situations.
Are you having a fever?
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I am sorry to inform you, but all those planes are better than the F1C
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i know, just a little joke.
Just noticed had 10 games in F1C-200 and 9 were uptire one was downtire… I guess 12.0 is really just upitire rank…and I can see why people would talk about Mirage to be 11.7
11.7 seems like really consistent BR rank. Like its almost 50-50% with down/up tires.
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