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J-7E absolutely rails the Mirage F1 in a dogfight,
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mirage just needs to shorten the distance enough for j7e to lose some energy and get a shot
The same goes against the f4s, at long distances it has an advantage but if the mirage f1c shortens the distance due to the magic 2 the f4s is at a disadvantage.
it’s a simple fact.
All of your arguments consist of mistakes made by the Mirages F1C player against a supposed player who makes perfect decisions.(either from f4s or j7e)
? again, J-7E RAILS the Mirage f1 in the flight model department and you can flare magic 2s so there is no way for the f1 to win here assuming the j7e doesnt make big mistakes
im not saying that like, in air rb the mirage f1 wouldnt be able to kill the j7e but i am saying in no way is that some guaranteed loss like you’re saying it is above
Which is easier in terms of execution, do you execute an entire dogfight without external interference from other players and without making big mistakes or simply shorten the distance with the enemy and survive long enough for him to lose some energy and throw a missile that can pull up to 50g at short distances and low/medium altitude with irccm?
@HighRiskNoReward
Rate fighting is something two aircraft of equal propulsion can do.
F-1C has a reheater which means it doesn’t rate-fight dry-thrust jets… it energy fights them.
“But R-73!” That’s funny… I have over 100 countermeasures, and my climb is less than 30 seconds, and coincidentally one large caliber countermeasure lasts 4 seconds.
And of course Su-25 has no HMD for funny shots.
Someone said they would 1v1 me, but then they never showed up.
It’s the other way around, after a merge the phantom will have the advantage in a dogfight. I thought I was clear. The phantom will decide the engagement and if you evade the sparrows he will start a dogfight with a far better position advantage, then vulcan does its thing…
My point is, the su-25 is a better dogfighter. Ofcourse the F-1C will dictate the fight because he can easily run, but eventually the fight will end up being head-ons non stop.
I never mentioned the r73, I was talking about the base su25 clean vs a F1C. But now that you mentioned it, what you said also applies the exact way around against the F1C, only that the Su-25 also has better dogfight performance to launch it at the F1C rear, and even more countermeasures. Both missiles are gate-width IRCCM so that’s a mott point.
I will rephrase my question…
Considering both players have the same skill level, and that they are in a conventional air rb match, in an occasional encounter between a j7e (11.3) and a mirage f1c (12.0), as long as both don’t make serious mistakes, would j7e defeat mirage in any scenario?
Not run, reverse using vertical maneuvers that Su-25 is physically incapable of doing, especially since Su-25T’s sustained turn rate is not that of Su-25K’s.
In-fact, here it is: ~15 deg per second, slightly better than F-1C’s 13.6 degrees per second.
