Exactly, if its weak (which it isn’t, it’s just slightly rough sometimes) they can just fix 530F and boom good plane
I agree mostly but I personally think it suffers way too much in uptiers against any radar missile planes because of its terrible rwr and lack of useable radar missiles. It makes playing against the tomcat, which is doable in planes like the f-4s if you are more skilled, unplayable for the F1C. Also planes like the F-4s and other doppler phantoms at 12.0 slightly struggle in uptiers but nowhere near as much as the mirage F1C. Also they are much more potent in downtiers often turning the tide of a whole game because of their ability to kill everything with vastly superior radar missiles to anything in a downtier.
1 Like
I totally agree with this and this is the main reason they gaijin thinks it should be 12.0. But magic 2s aren’t just 2 guaranteed kills you have to use them correctly by launching witching a certain range and preferably from rear aspect for them to be “guaranteed kills”. From my experience playing the F-4j, which is a very slightly worse F-4s, the aim 7fs are kind of the same situation as magic 2s where if you use them in a certain range and aspect they are nearly undodgeabale for most planes around the br range.
Writing this out also makes me think that decompression is needed but I didn’t originally include that in the start of the thread because it is more realistic for gaijin to just move the br of one plane and not all of them because it takes a lot more effort and they always manage to make some things more unbalanced after decompression.
1 Like
I agree just because Mirage cant carry napalm it should be 11.7… everything else common you have Magic thats guarantee kill
There’s nothing to fix, it’s working as it should for a non continuous wave seeker. (if you’re referring to it being chaff vulnerable that is)
There’s multiple reports on how it filtered chaff in service (as well as other things wrong about it) with mor than enough sources to back it up
2 Likes
I love the F1C but honestly I don’t think it should go down.
The 530s are terrible but the 2 magic 2s and the amount of CMs would make it really had to fight at 11.7 since it would get downtiers all the time.
2 Likes
Yes but the undertiered premium F-4S shouldn’t be the reason to undertier the Mirage F-1 too. F-4S should go to 12.3 or 12.7(if decompression happens) and mirage F-1 is fine where it is.
I’d rather face an F-14 in the mirage F1 than a phantom, at least if the F-14 isn’t hell-bent on dogfighting you, you have 2 missiles that are a guaranteed kill if you point your nose at him at 2km except a straight head-on. The phantom will just be useless if the F-14 evades your sparrows which isn’t hard to do.
nah this is crazy
The 4x Gunpods are quite funny at 10.3. But then again, that is 10.3. I still believe running gunpods is viable for the higher BR Su-25s, though the F1C outclasses it in every way.
Su-25 is a better dogfighter, but the mirage F1 doesn’t need to play if he doesn’t want to. Except the su-25 with R-73, then you can’t go near him at all without pre-flaring constantly
Depends on the Su-25’s payload. If its your average AIR RB Su-25 its not winning that dogfight, as they are usually loaded with 2-4 Missiles, 2-4 Gunpods, and/or A2G munitions.
That’s not relevant to the discussion, you could also say that the average su-25 player can’t dogfight to begin with, but that doesn’t make the plane a worse dogfighter than the F1C
i don’t believe the F1C can lose to a Su-25
In a dogfight? Su-25 has better energy retention, tighter turn circle, and a better-sustained turn rate. Also better gun.
Now in a normal match the F1C isn’t forced to dogfight and can act as a F-104 while the su-25 can’t ignore it because if it exposes the rear its a death sentence because of magic2’s
I refuse to believe this. There is no way the F1C is this bad.
By chance do you have the F1C, I genuinely want to test this out.
Have you flown both?
I do have the TT F1C but you can actually test drive the exact FM with the premium one. Just boot up WTRTI or something similar and check the performance. No need for beliefs when you have data.
1 Like
only one, being the Su-25. I’ve fought F1C’s and sure they can be beat easily but Ididn’t ever think it’d be worse than the Su-25k
Alrighty
I just did a quick sustained turn rate test
I got 16º/s for the su-25, clean and min fuel (8m) and takeoff flaps.
I got 13º/s for the F1C with 42% fuel and 13.7º/s with min fuel, which is similar to a F-4S when adjusted to similar fuel time in afterburner.
For the F1C I did with 42% fuel (18min) to compensate because you wouldn’t take more than 14min fuel in the su-25 in a normal match and you would start fighting with less than 8min. Even then the F1C with 18min has relatively less fuel.
Note that you can get about 16º/s in a phantom on min fuel (the ones with internal gun or 18º/s with the FGR2 but that’s a different beast), but you will empty your tank much quicker than the F1C (which is quite efficient for an afterburner jet) or the non afterburning su-25.
Also, I don’t mind setting up that test dogfight if you want. But won’t be very interesting
4 Likes