Mirage F1C EXTREMELY unfair BR rating in late 2025

Non-reheating target, side aspect on the 2nd shot.
They knew what they were doing.

IR missiles should be prioritized for targets that reheat.
Of course, JH-7 can and will out-dogfight F-1C as well, so the better tactic is to engage a JH-7 with a friendly.

did i ever talked about F-14’s ?!

now,… let’s face reality:
F/A-18A is the only aircraft featuring AIM-7M under 12.7 BR (F-16AJ is 12.7, because of AIM-7M btw)
F/A-18C early is featuring AIM-7P (the closest Fox-1 missile, to be a Fox-3, in USA Side), at 12.7 BR while all fox-3’s are 13.3 minimum (for aircrafts that are as capable in all other departements of flight/fight/avionics)

you can hide yourself about reality, from the massive Ego you’re seemingly have,…
but you can’t face facts!
F/A-18A’s and early C’s are under BRed and gives a problem to everything around them,…

Mirage F.1 is maybe a good 12.0, but there is plenty of other aircrafts as good, at same BR or lower for some.

F-4EJ Kai being at 12.3 (same BR than F/A-18A btw) doesn’t stand ANY chances against the F/A-18A, while it stands a fair chance vs Mirage F.1

We all know the game is overcompressed,… but Gaijin have been such a delinquent with how they’ve introduced F/A-18A and F/A-18C early in this game!

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There is a lot of something, but I’ve recently purchased the plane during the sales, and it is arguably the most balanced plane around 11.x-13.x BR range. 2x Magic IIs are great with their agility and acceleration, IRCCM is helpful when you do rear-aspect (not so well front-aspect), airframe withstands M1.1 at sea level and gains enough speed to reach M1.2 easily above 2-3km.

R.530s are very supplementary as they are not CW but Pulse signal SARH missiles, so even a single pop of chaff deflects the missile. But they are still something when you engage an enemy in the fight from a distance too great for gunfight.

The problem, as it was said billions of times, is the compression. By no means Su-33 with 12-missile loadout of which 8 are R-27ERs should face 12.0-12.3 which have straight up worse armament and/or systems to even engage them. F/A-18s should also not face some 11.7/12.0 planes that can barely do anything to counter AIM-7Ps effectively (there is barrel rolling, but it doesn’t matter if you face 3 premium F/A-18Cs each loaded with 6x of those).

The problem with jet-era is too complex to balance, but lowering this aircraft will only make it worse

7F and 7Ms are identical stat wise, ergo they can be found as low as 12.0 on F-4S. Sure, worse platform and radar, but I suppose that wasnt the point you were going for.

I beg your pardon?

It’s not at all. But you have to think a bit out of the box and do what GJ is actually incapable of.
Make specific rules and your BRs to work more like a battlegroup. The armament should dynamically change the BR of the vehicles.
You can’t NOT take to account what armament someone has on … because it’s not like WW2/early jets speed/acceleration/maneuverability. That’s 1/3 of the parts. Now you have electronics/CMs …and guided armament.

still not,… there is differences on how much HOBS you can launched them (5° differences)

they can Re-lock when you lost radar lost and relock yourself (no others got that)

IIRC the difference is 55° vs 60°. Those 5° will never matter enough to jistify treating 7M as entirely different missile.

Sure, that is both convenient and helpfull, but that makes it SARH with DL and IOG, not quasi ARH as it still relies on plane radar to do the homing.

In this thread: People who think a jet should stomp 11.0s just because it does badly in 13.0 games.

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The F1C spam is so egregious that even in my F-14A and F-14B a full BR above it, I still cannot play a low/aggressive playstyle against them in a full downtier. They fill the bracket with IRCCM spam, and you want to put them even lower??

Both the planes you just stated are under-tiered due to compression, so you should be advocating for decompression.

Good thing it’s BR is 12.0 and your hyperbole is anecdotal.

dude it was sarcasm the 12.7 match maker and 13.0 matchmaker are so bad now its unplayable

Oh,… sowwy,… i can’t tell sarcasm when written down,…
even less when the whole sentence could be said with seriousness !

never heard of precising your thoughts, when it’s written??
we’re not in your head,… we don’t see making the sarcasm,…

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i have same problem no worries

Decompression

Simply flying low and getting into a knife fight guarantees an air kill thanks to the Magic 2. Their Fox 1s have also been functional for some time.

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You basically have 2 garunteed kills while being as fast if not faster than phantoms which means you reach bases first so for grinding you basically have a garunteed base and 2 garunteed kills. This is all while there are jets that have no IRCCM at the same br or even look at the NETZ it doesnt have irccm missiles and no radar missiles and its 12.7 so it faces ARH missiles constantly

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By the way.
The way of proper balancing in modern planes is something like this.
Have a look here . It’s unrealistic in this game people to make good proposals that would make the game way better for every vehicle and us just stay and pick fights about things that can’t be balanced properly without the correct tools .

Magic 2s at 12.0, which literally guarantee free kills at that BR, but its “too high” lmao.

I own it. 12.0 is perfectly fine.

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If anything, it’s too low.

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If anything ,the MM is BS. Ofc it’s too low against an 11.0 and it’s trash against a 13.0 .
In fact M2 in the specific plane makes it equal against other 12.0s … assuming you can play proper defence (not that easy if more than 1v1) and get in position firstly. Everything else is an 11.0 plane.

The F1C is fine at its current BR.

The F/A-18s while it boasts a huge armament of AIM-7s it can be defeated. Uptiers suck for everyone, but in a downtier again it is a beast.

It has a decent flight model, reaches high speeds even on the deck, it has a HUGE amount of countermeasures making it almost invulnerable to IR missiles and most of the radar missiles you face can be defeated easily if you know what you are doing, especially the AIM-7P.

Any higher and it would be terrible for the jet, any lower and it would be terrible for everyone else.

Ofcourse you need some skill (tactics) to use it with the given armament.

If anything, BR decompression is what is needed, I’d argue for a cut between FOX-3 and non-FOX-3 jets, since it has rendered for example the mirage 4k almost unusable.