So is not wrong having years now Mig-19s Q5s F-104s and latest stupidity Su fighting subsonic with no ability to defend them self
Well plenty wrong with the BRs in War Thunder and Forum is for Fixing that if you disagree fine but F1s are 12 BR no one will put them vs A10 early is is 10.3 it’s 1.7 BR diffrence
and again saying is good for 12 BR is litle off if you figth with 2 missiles moste the time , propabily to hit from front aspect are very low Magic 2 is bad for it and the other missile are nothing to compare at this BR fighting right now with F1 is so frustating
Every game uptier vs 12.7 - 13 BR is so bad that i have it and not even touch it Stinky Tofu
Better to play Mirage 2000 S from event that this crap it’s better in every think.
I own the F1C and it does not need to be lower than 12.0.
The Magic 2s are literally free kills at the BR. Calling them anything short of amazing at 12.0 is rediculous.
I dunno what the OP means by poor maneuverability or energy generation. The thing is fine and its engine has plenty of grunt. It turns quite well honestly.
The other three missiles it gets are meh I agree, but they are offset by the Magic 2s, and the two radar missiles arent useless by any means. The 530E is a meme and honestly more funny than anything because when you get a kill with it its hilarious.
Its a bit compressed against 13.0s, but no more than other 12.0 planes. And it definitely doesnt need to go down to 11.7.
Not sure what you’re saying here either but I think you misunderstood my argument about the A-10 which was purely a counterexample to your reasoning
Bro I’ve played the F1C, I know it’s frustrating. But it is in fact on par with others 12.0s and far superior to probably any 11.3. And again the Magic 2 is an incredible missile for 12.0, so if you find it bad that’s a skill issue
Did you read any of what we ever said in this convo? Yes it suffers in uptiers, but doing down would make it worse for everyone else
Welcome to warthunder , and weakspot of every IR missile in game, FRONT ASPECT shots.
Wish if that thing could get good radar, what filters clutter on MTI mode like a charm, and could have some radar missiles what to use on.
Oh wait, it does.
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Also, you know that most common allaspect IR missiles on that BR are 9L’s and R60M’s , you think those are any better vs Magic II’s.
R60’s are a joke even on rear shots. I can full WEP in mig 23 , pop 1 flare and it will go to that flare instead fullburning engines :D
If anything, lower BR jets can flare the magic 2 even more easily, since they usually have colder engines.
Gatewidth IRCCM is in such a poor state that jets like the F1C that used to rely on their gatewidth type IRCCM missiles to get kills are now overtiered.
The time when gatewidth was almost a guaranteed kill in rear aspect is long gone, they can be flared essentially like 9L’s in most circumstances nowadays
Fair enough. The F1C still doesn’t belong lower for now imo, it just needs to go down by loosing magic 2.
But yes it’s in a pretty poor state, I barely ever touch it for that reason