What? Magic 2 is one of the best missile still
I think this is a compression issue as it does well against 12.0s but really poorly against 13.0s
Name a 12.0 plane, what doesnt perform poorly against 13.0 :D
It is fine at 12.0, at most it could go down to 11.7 but the BR is so compressed its gonna make anything at 10.7-11.3 completely suffer when facing it
This is exactly why decompression is needed.
Indian Jaguar IS have 2x Magic 2 and is 11.3
Mirage F1 is nothing special and basicly have only 2x Magic’s rest of the weapons are usless not to mention his always uptiered as hell because Gaijin special MM that save Rus and China with in F1 you will always fight vs J11s - Su33 -F15s-F14s-F-18s and bunch of others that have 4 times more missile that F-1 not to mention Fox-3 and better radars RwR and so on
Magic 2 is not special invincible weapon
Yeah the A-10A late has 4xAIM-9L at 10.3, let’s put the Sea Harrier FRS.1 at 10.3 then? AIM-9L is not special invincible weapon after all
With you reasoning we could put a lot of planes over 1.0 lower than they currently are
Dude F-1 see Aim 120A and B AMRAAM - R27ER and ER1 AIM54C and so on stop making it huge issue if is not having 2 missile vs 10 + in Rus and China
IR missile btw the time others have 8 Radar and 2 IR
Told you before Jaguar IS is 11.3 and have 2 magic 2 not big deal
Decompression needed sure but making exiuse like A-10A have 4xAim L and will be huge deal is idiotic because they Fighting Sabres and Mig 17s and 19s
Compression, not a reason to make that very issue worse for someone else
2 free kills if used properly, really not fun to play against
At 13.0
Compression, the ones with 10 missiles are 13.0 and higher
Significantly slower and with a much worse airframe. Many attackers get the same missiles fighters do but at a lower BR for that very reason, that’s not new
Have you ever face a A-10 in a 9.3, 9.7 or even a 10.0? They’re very annoying because you’re not allowed to exist in front of them if you don’t have flares, and the only thing that makes them acceptable there is that they’re slow as hell. The Mirage F1C has two excellent missiles while retaining a very acceptable airframe and speed. Putting a 10.3 against it is just ridiculous
Overall you’re trying to make something that is by default wrong when it comes to balance, aka making an entire bracket suffer more so that a single plane suffers less. And in the process you’re also reducing a (significant indeed) imbalance by creating an absolutely ridiculous one. Sure the F1C suffers, but nearly everything else does and it’s on par with 12.0
If you’re still not convinced, imma do something funny and take the Mirage IIIC. It gets pretty much obliterated by default when it gets a full uptier, so how about we send it to 9.3? After all, it’s not as fast as many others planes in the meta, and only gets a pair of good missiles which are “not that good because you can flare them off”
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Yeah, and it got also good radar like mirage, or speed like mirage, it really had radar missiles, etc etc.
Only thing what those got incommon is 2 IR missiles, nothing else is better on jaguar. Heck, if that thing would not got magic 2’s it would be 10.7.
And that uptiering is going on all 12.0 planes, not just mirage.
And most of planes get only 60CM total, unlike mirage
Not invincible, but it is something special. In a good way.
Late is 10.7 → 4 x 9l
Early is 10.3 → 2 x 9l
And Here are some pros on mirage…
And now in Mirage, you got good speed, 3 radar missiles, and 2 best IR missiles on that BR bracket.
Radar is quite good in that BR , since MTI mode filters clutter.
192 FLARES and 216 CHAFFS.
so no, it doesnt need to go down having all that.
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Its fine at 12.0. You can get past mach 1.5 at altitude which is where it’s 530Fs start to work REALLY well.
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i have been playing the mirage f1 somewhat recently and being honest most of my kills comes from guns/530F, the magic 2 makes me wanna tear my skin off sometimes as i fire it within IRCCM range and the magic decides that the small r60 has a hotter heat signature than a full afterburning mig23
Oh yeah true I forgot about the obscene amount of countermeasures, it’s definitely a plus when you can pour them into the sky without care
Yeah, so much strugling against radar missiles… especially when most planes have to go 30/30 Flare/Chaff :D
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Everytime I play the Mirage IIIE and its 45 countermeasures my mental health takes a hit
Well least it is 10.7 , can keep all flares most of times.
But now, example IRIAF, shit rwr, shit radar , useless IR missiles, good Fox3’s, sitting in 13.7 and having 60CM’s total :D
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In uptiers I run 30 chaff and 15 flares because for some reason the F-4E’s sparrows have a bad habit of ignoring my chaff
This thing got bullied so much it’s insane (and hilarious tbh)
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The Jaguar IS also has a considerably worse flight model among other things.
This is an incredibly braindead comparison.
Just got out from a game against
- MiG-29 : BR 12.7 - 13.0
- F-14A Early : BR 12.7
- F-14B : BR 13.0
Anyone advocating against decompression is just terminally brainwashed by this game
This same you can say for F1 comparing with Mirage 2000 that is 0.3 higher and is better in every think lol with this same weapons