Mirage F1 need a BR decrease

u probably dont know how to predict enemy pathing

idk what ur talking about, u challenged that I spaded the two jets

not how magic 2 irccm works

not by default, my point is the mf1 also goes very fast once its at speed and doesnt struggle to intercept things when you aren’t pointlessly bleeding energy or taking bad lines

so deal with 12.0 mirage

where, lol?

actually yes by default, any twin-engine plane has more thrust and better acceleration than a single-engine plane.

ofc it will go fast once it’s at speed, if it wasn’t at speed then it wouldn’t go fast, lol. pls explain ur logic behind that phrase.


i’m doing it, and i’m doing it pretty well.

what else does the below mean

Yes, the F-5 Tiger II surely out accelerates the F-16 or MiG-23. I’m sure the engines, added together, have more thrust too!

meaning, the top speed of the mf1 is excellent at sea level, it just has issues with acceleration

not well enough to not beg for it to be 11.7 because it cant cope apparently

F-16 not, MiG-23 can depending circunstances.

that’s the problem im talking about and u’re rather ignoring or not understanding.

cool excuse, did u know u are not funny?

Lol, it’s a compression problem, I’m gonna be real the Mirage definitely ain’t the worst but even if it was I wouldn’t want to compress 11.x and 10.x into seeing that lol

What are you saying here? That the F-16 and MiG-23 both don’t vastly out-thrust and out-accelerate the F-5?

it can’t win against the F-16, but can against the MiG-23MLD in certain circunstances since it’s way lighter and has good thrust.
F-5E has more than half the thrust of the MiG-23MLD using afterburner, and it’s way lighter, so it would be faster for a period of time, however the Flogger in better on the long run.

What? Win in a dogfight? Why are you bringing up random stuff? We were and are talking about engine thrust where you said quote,

You directly say here, with no doubt or capability of misunderstanding, that the F-5 Tiger II (even the F-5C) has higher thrust than the F-16 or JAS39 or MiG-23 and that it also will have better acceleration than all of these.

where did i say dogfight? u’re allucinating or what?

that would have to be per BR, JAS39 obviously has more thrust than a F-5 and whatever it can’t face it except the TH version.

I have no idea what else u could be alluding to because F-5 doesn’t win either of these races. MiG-23 and F-16 are both always faster and always accelerate better

ok, so javelin out accelerates mig15bis right

ok u’re being very annoying rn, i admit there are exceptions about the twin-engines, but generally most of them are way better than single engines.

No, what matters is thrust to weight. Having two engines does not default to better performance

Same exact thing when people complain about their jet not having an afterburner and “facing afterburner jets its so unfair” and then you find out they’re flying a MiG-17 that out accelerates a ton of the afterburning jets it faces

however having afterburner actually helps.

Only compared to the exact same aircraft not having one. Afterburner does nothing by itself. Thrust to weight is what matters. You cannot say its a pro that one aircraft has an afterburner and the other doesn’t. That’s not how engines work. The non afterburning engine can literally be 5x stronger.

afterburner gives a quick acceleration the non-afterburner aircraft usually don’t have.

when u’re using a non-afterburner jet, the plane starts gaining speed slowly (this is mostly visuable when taking off), while the afterburner jet accelerates way faster due to a forced combustion.

afterburner does nothing by itself but add thrust, if that thrust doesn’t exceed the thrust of another jet that isnt afterburning then the afterburner quite literally did nothing

lots of examples of afterburning jets being slower/worse accel than non-afterburning jets

The solution as always is a general BR increase for everything above 12.0. Bring the BR up to 15.0 and move everything around to decompress.
Almost anytime you decrease the BR of something, it results in it being OP for the lower BR’s that it ends up facing

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