Mirage F1 need a BR decrease

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im currently playing with the Mirage F1CT which sits at 12.0, and it honestly feels like a entire joke:

FIRST: Magic 2 IS NOT AN EXCUSE. if Gaijin uses the Magic 2 as a shield to keep the F1 at 12.0, i honestly need to say that they’re wrong cuz the platform that uses it sucks in maneuverability and thrust.

SECOND: i still don’t have them, since im still stock grinding, but the R530F are a complete joke of SARH missile. yeah they have maneuverability and a lot of thrust (combined with a one chaff-able seeker that doesn’t alert the enemy RWRs), but i have heard they’re extremely hard to use and mostly situational, and paired with the already bad maneuverability and thrust the F1 has, it makes hitting targets very hard.

THIRD: the radar…the radar is basically worse than the one found in the MiG-23MLD, and that’s a lot cuz MiG-23MLD sits at 11.7 while the Mirage F1 sits at 12.0. it struggles to get a lock on a target and the MTI mode only works to get a tricky and half-innacurate lock against a target hugging the ground, and it doesn’t work over a certain height, which makes the gameplay very hard.

FOURTH: Magic 2s aren’t extremely reliable. they’re good ofc, they have IRCCM at 12.0 which makes getting a kill a LOT easier, but they have a lot drag and low burning time (specifically 2secs of thrust), and it mostly feels like a R-60M with IRCCM and nothing else (plus any aircraft with low heat signature like the F-5 or the Hawk can make the IRCCM useless).

FIFTH: this isn’t a problem of the plane, but the BR itself. the F1 constantly faces things like the F-15A, F-14A, F/A-18A, Su-27, Su-33, MiG-29A, JAS39A and even some platforms with Fox-3s. playing against this aircraft is basically impossible since except in a head-on (which is mainly 50:50 prob u win or die) they’re WAY superior in every single aspect (some of them even carry IRCCM missiles which nulifies the only superiority of the Mirage F1: IRCCM missiles).

maybe people will have variated opinions and say it’s skill-based, which i truly don’t deny, it’s a skill based aircraft, but i feel it needs a BR decrease to 11.7 since the IRCCM missiles are good but not a free kill (at least nowdays where any WT player knows how to dodge them), the SARH missiles are completely situational, the flight performance sucks in many ways and can be out-turned by many planes with probably not a single exception and the only good thing of it being the exageratly high amount of defensive countermesures.

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Thats the only reason they are 12.0. Try being on the receiving end of a magic 2 in a tornado or any other 11.7 and get back to us.

This thing is NOT 11.7 material, especially not the F1CT, considering it will see 10.7 planes.

12.0 is super compressed and the Mirage F1’s survive by using their single niche, the magic 2’s. Not to mention they have alot of countermeasures available compared to the average 12.0 plane.

At least youre not a phantom stuck with Aim7e2’s and rear aspect only missiles

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Honestly… based upon how they’ve treated others such as the Tornado GR4/SLE, the fact its only 12.0 and not 12.3 means its eating pretty well at the moment. It could easily be a higher BR with how Gaijin “balances” things at the moment.

The only real issue the Mirage F1s have at the moment is compression, and moving it down doesnt fix that, it actually makes it worse. Id even go as far as to say that the Mirage F1 is actually suffering less than a few other 12.0s currently.

If it werent for the compression, it would be perfectly placed and is one of the more balanced aircraft at the moment

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u mean the F-4J with HMD, 4 AIM-7F and 4 AIM-9G? yeah i have heard about them, most of them are ez preys.

u don’t own the Mirage, trust me it’s a pain to play with it at it’s current BR, and just like MiG-23MLD has 2 OP SARH missiles with IOG, Mirage F1 has 2 OP IR missiles with IRCCM (and MiG-23MLD sits at 11.7 with better FM).

except Gaijin actually decompresses 12.0 (something i bet they will do anytime), it needs to go to 11.7.

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Not all the Phantoms have Aim-7F and only a few have HMD

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they have preferred to lower the F-15A’s BR than decompressing 13.0 and now an Eagle faces a Flogger without issues…

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2 wrongs dont make a right.

Would you really consider the Mirage F1 with 2x Magic II + 2x SARH equal to say the Tornado IDS with just 2x 9Ls?

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check again, i do infact own the F1C and its a very comfortable plane to play, minus the rwr. All you have to do is get close to someone and they die, and the chaff pod really helps

yeah the MLD is OP, but imo its not 12.0 material in a sense.
It does have 2 OP missiles, but the catch is the abysmal radar. The limitations set on the 23’s MTI already puts it leagues below any 12.0

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The problem with the Mirage F1 is that it has Magic 2s. It needs to be removed so it can be at a lower battle-rating where the weaponry and airframe are of a more natural fit.

The only reason they gave it Magic 2 in the first place is because the French community was initially upset that the Mirage F1 was added so late in the first place after the Mig-23MLD and F-4J were already here, only for F-14A to be added just a patch after the Mirage F1’s introduction.

It was fun using Magic 2s against the afterburning F-14s and the Magic 2 ignoring it due to the hot engines. But had they introduced the Mirage F1 at the appropriate time it should have been, it would never have gotten Magic 2s, which should be limited to Mirage 2000 airframes and above.

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Yeah, ive found similar, been a while, and compression has only gotten worse, but ive slapped the living hell out of more than a few before in the F1C-200

Spoiler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po0B1T3Gz1E

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no?

Gaijin doesn’t have the same opinion, and since i (and u too) know they will never decompress BRs, all i can do is to complain about it’s current BR and how it should be lowered.

trust me i know how 12.0 feels, i have spaded Kfir C.7 at 12.0 with 4 Python 3s which are absolutely not justified for the BR.

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So why would you propose them to be the same BR?

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? im talking about 11.7 not 11.3.

cuz Mirage F1 has horrible FM just like the Tornado, bad acceleration, 2 half-useless SARH missiles and 2 75% of direct hit IRCCM missiles.
Tornado should go 11.0, since A-10A has AIM-9L at 10.3 paired with lots of countermesures, why can’t a mach 2 flying boat go to 11.0?

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i agree with the idea of decompressing, but u can’t trust the bald old man with glasses to actually do it.

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The reason why Mirage F1 is 12.0 is because Mig-23ML and F-104S ASA are 11.7.
Having a radar slightly superior to the Mig-23ML’s.
Having vastly superior IR weapons than the Mig-23 and F-104.
Having decent flight performance.

13.0 being compressed is not a reason to compress 11.7.

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it has slightly 1km more than the MiG-23MLD in stats while using useless long-range radar waves up to 111km.

it only has 2 just like MiG-23MLD and F-104S ASA have 2 vastly superior SARH missiles like the Aspide-1A or the R-24R, and they’re at 11.7.

!?
in all my time playing with the F1, i haven’t being feeling it has good flight performance at all, it loses a lot of speed in turns, it has slow acceleration compared to any other jet, and even a F-4 has probably better maneuverability than it.

11.7 is already compressed with the annoying F-15A and their highly superior radar/missiles/RWR/thrust/maneuverability, what’s ur excuse for saying a plane with bad SARH missiles, bad FM/flight performance, bad thrust, decent RWR and amazing IRCCM missiles can’t go to 11.7?

btw even if it’s super rare to see one, Jaguar IS has Magic 2 at 11.3.