Mirage 2000 Thread : Variants, performance, characteristics and sources

Still Super Etendard would have ONE major advantage over M2000 now which is the AM 39 if it does not get added to any other plane than the super Etendard because with that it could sink the carrier in sim in one shot or two of the missile and that would allow a fast an reliable farming tool for the french TT

Well,… seeing how many ASM we’ve got until now,…
AS.34 Kormoran being an event reward and that’s it,… there is also low amount of naval units in normal aircrafts modes now,… i do feel like Super Étendard will not have AM.39 despite all expectations.

Super Etendard’s kneeboard MFD must be modeled at all costs!

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That’s also something i do want but not expect, seeing how badly modeled is the HUD of Etendard IVM

Another advantage is that the Super Etendard Modernized carried GPS Paveways. So you can fire it from afar with GPS then laser the GBU all the way in, or do fire and forget with the paveway.

I’m worried that a Super Etendard with GPS Paveways will make it 11.3+

The current paveway 3 that the M2k 5F has has GPS but it doesn’t work as fire and forget?

Is this different

It doesn’t have GPS. There’s no GPS guided bomb in-game afaik. GBU Paveways are GBU-49, GBU-50, and GBU-59.

The current GBU-16 on the M2K-5F will drift off course if you try and use it as fire and forget. It just has IOG.

GPS bomb like JDAM were once in the game on dev server before being removed. GBU-49 on Super Etendard Modernized would behave as a better JDAM. Here’s a video of the JDAM in Warthunder:

The GBU-24 is GPS guided in game:

It isn’t. The 2nd video is laser guided all the way. First video doesn’t show pinpoint accuracy like GPS bombs have. You should do a video showing the GBU-24 being fired with laser guidance against a small target, then turning off the laser immediately upon firing it, and then seeing if it hits. I did the test just now.

As you can see, after turning off the laser, the GBU-24 tries its best to go off of inertial navigation, but it also has inertial drift, which is coded in datamine. GPS Paveways should be more accurate.

In the second video:

  • I drop the bomb in GPS mode at a target to the right of my flight path (notice the laser designator is not active)
  • The bomb can be seen flying to the target I marked
  • I activate the laser
  • The bomb locks onto the laser
  • I move the laser to a different target to the left and the bomb follows the laser to that target, proving the bomb has acquired the target

Yeah there’s no doubt it can be launched and then updated mid-flight. As you noted, it requires terminal laser guidance in order to have any accuracy against even a stationary target. GPS guided paveways should not need terminal laser guidance for stationary targets. GPS Paveways should allow for capabilities of fire and forget against stationary targets is my understanding.

Things are looking dire for the M2K-5F right now with the new Block 50.

The Block 50 now has more air to ground ordnances than the M2K-5F, will get Litening II pod, and should get better radar. If things are kept the same, the Block 50 would be better than the M2K-5F in every way unless they fixed the issues.

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The LITENING II is UTTER garbage in WT. Gen 1 thermals with something like a 6x or 8x zoom, its borderline worthless, slightly better than not having a TGP at all.

The M2K-5F has the Damocles pod which is the best TGP on any aircrafts in-game rn with both gen 3 thermals and much better zoom, and the AS30L’s which are SUBSTANTIALLY better than trash mavs because gaijin hates the idea that the 50kg warhead of a Mav might actually do damage to a tank if it hits

The M2K-5F is still going to be the best ground attacker in the entire game unless something changes with mavs, calm down

If i can allow myself a thought i’d say things are looking dire since long and for France in general lol all our weapons and systems and even vehicles perfomrances are gimped i’m strating to think that to enjoy this game you’ll have to play the major nations instead of picking what you really like…

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I base my conclusions off of certain things which you might not have been aware of. I’d appreciate it if you could ask why I came to my conclusions rather than dismissing it.

I put in a report to nerf the AS-30Ls explosive weight from 115kg tnt down to just 25kg TNT. Community Bug Reporting System

So what you said won’t be true for long. Mavericks will have twice the explosive weight of AS-30L soon while remaining as a fire and forget weapon from 12km away. AS-30L currently can only be used from 10km.

As for Damocles, currently devs have acknowledged that the range it can be used is currently gimped and they do not have any intention of ungimping it anytime soon.

The Block 50 will be able to carry greater number of ordnances and potentially being able to mix and match them while also carrying larger number of self-defense missiles. While Damocles is better, it is only one component of what determines how good a plane is at CAS or multirole.

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I just only wish they were diligent enough to fix the reports I sent in. I’m not even asking them to do their research which is the bare minimum, but to simply just implement them.

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Well that’s what i’d like too but i feel like currently gaijin just don’t want to see any other nation than US and USSR attracting the eye of other players as major trees have lots of vehicles to grind which highly appeal a premium buy while minor nations hjave smaller trees which can be completed quite fast without a prem so if those tree have the advantage of having better weapons than big trees its an even bigger loss for them like for example while they clearly cannot ignore and call the Magic2 IRCCM false for example they will add it when missiles like late variants of R73 or AIM9-M with equivalent IRCCM come instead of fixing the missile now same for the S530D if they fixed IT AIM7 would become less reliable therefore leading pl to switch to french nation and generating less money.

And i’d even fear the fact the M2K-5F will remain Fox3 less for a much longer time than any other nation plan,e because MICA would be savage beasts killing everything they pitbull on which would cause either a massive bleed in playerbase or a massive shifting of the players to the french whih again would lead them to generate less monies.

While i do understand their need to generate money i cannot understand you can allow yourself to totally destroy some nations of your game because they could make you lose money.

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This is irrelevant as the issue with Mavs is gaijins horrific modelling of HEAT warheads, not the amount of HE in play. The biggest impact this will have is lowering multi kill ability.

its set to the same 12km laser every other TGP has, the difference being its massively superior zoom and 3rd gen thermals vs everyone else’s 1st gen.

I value target identification and prioritization over raw weapon load for ground strike, particularly when the loads arent really that substantially different in numbers. Being able to figure out what you’re aiming at and what its doing exactly at extreme ranges is incredibly useful and highly underrated. The F-16C will be the better fighter sure, but saying things look “dire” for the M2K-5F is just overreacting, especially when considering the actual difference in ordinance between the blk50 and blk10 isn’t really that great in WT, with the “big” change being laser guided bombs being an option, and a terrible TGP…

I don’t think Gaijin wants to keep France down. Gaijin has learned that even if they make France the best tech tree in the game, people just won’t grind it or spend money, so why should they care?

France has been at the top in multiple aspects. Whether it was when M2K was introduced while only F-14 existed, or when M2K-D was introduced residing as the 2nd best CAS after Harrier GR7, or even when M2K-5F was introduced as the best CAS. And people just don’t care to grind or play France. Even now more F-14B CAS videos are being made despite M2K-5F being better.

France could have the best air to air fighter with MICA EM, and I think people would still refuse to play France. Which is alright with me, I just simply want them to fix and act on reports.

Which they don’t for reasons they won’t reveal because they are like unacceptable. Like, for example, the fact they are still “fixing” bugs that are present since game release lul.

Well anyway if they do it’ll be 2 years or more after the report been sent like vthey did on a report on the R530 at the time someone submitted a report arround the time the Mirage 3 was introduced and the issue was fixed 2 years later when Mirage F1 released LMAO.

I may sound extremely pissy but thing is i never saw gaijin change thei way of acting excepet recently when community threatened of leaving the game LOL.