Mirage 2000 Thread : Variants, performance, characteristics and sources

Because the charts alone don’t describe the fully functionnal systems,…

For exemple,… the gunsight coupled with 3 lights on the side of it, are able to guides you (the pilot) to fire AIM-9B accurately(range/probability to kill), same goes for the Guns, which normally gives you the point on which your bullets and your rounds are going to come across each others → such functions are currently denied and rejected by Gaijin, despite being currently modelized on later aircrafts.

As far i checked (it was a bit ago) we don’t have radar gunsight on Étendard IVM.(i can understand it would break a bit of balance, but Etendard ain’t Top Dog at those BR)

Did Gaijin state they are not adding it for balance? I still have had no issues translating these things directly from the documents that were shared. It seems straightforward to me as a non-French speaker.

The radar gunsight is a common problem among a large number of aircraft. The Etendard is not alone.

Anyone else have the issue where you have a target locked on radar and decide to drop lock only for the radar to be stuck in ACM mode.

Can’t turn it off, can’t change modes.

yes its a common bug to fix it just roll upside down so it points to the ground and it will clear it

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I didn’t know that workaround, cimer chef

I hesitate to ask because it seems like the sort of thing that would have been asked and answered, but after combing this thread and even part of the old thread, I can’t figure out:

As an air-only player, is there any reason to buy/crew the Mirage 2000-5F?

Obviously the radar is better, but does that actually translate to the Super 530D landing from more angles? It seems like the speed gates are on the missile side, so is there something I’m missing here that justifies the new jet and extra notch of BR (even if you’re pretty much always in 12.0 games, taking an 11.7 slot instead of a 12.0 slot is still an advantage due to quantitative matchmaking) other than the air to ground stuff I don’t care about?

Yes, get it now before they buff the FM and ordinance. Both Super 530D and Magic 2 are underperforming and the aircraft (FM specifically) will see improvements next patch.

This doesn’t really answer my question, though. It has the same air to air ordnance and nearly the same FM as the C-S5, so incoming improvements to those aren’t an incentive. It’s already at the top BR, so there’s no rush to stock grind it before it can be uptiered. If anything you’ve given me an argument to put off the stock grind because it’s about to suck less.

What does the -5F do that the C-S5 doesn’t – other than paint green squares around people under broader circumstances – in the current patch?

It sounds to me like you’ve known the answer to the question you asked and it’s some jaded side-commentary about how it’s not worth grinding (for you).

Yes, for when MICA RF’s are added likely next year.

Lol, no, I was authentically ignorant. Not a rhetorical question at all. As far as I knew before posting here the thing could have enabled rear-aspect low-altitude 530D shots or prevented self-destructs under certain circumstances or something.

Obviously I’ll want the -5F in the long term for MICA, but my gamble is that with R-73 coming soon, Magic II could catch a buff between now and the inevitable F-15/Su-27 spam with the major AMRAAM/Meteor/MICA patch which is probably going to be a worse time to do that stock grind. So I’ll be buying that -5F very soon, possibly in a matter of weeks, but not tonight.

Yes. The RDY radar is a huge improvement for maintaining lock in rear-aspect and needs a very strict 90 degrees to notch it. Big improvement to the usability of the 530D now that it cant be chaffed away.

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I hope Meteor are not going to come soon, that wouldn’t be nice for non european country.
I mean playing with meteor against aim-120a and r77 don’t seems really fair play

Blockquote As an air-only player, is there any reason to buy/crew the Mirage 2000-5F?

Before update 2.27.0.68 i would say yes, the radar is straight update compared to C-S5 and was easily “god tier” in terms of radar. After the 0.68 update while cjwagn2 said is true, i will temper a little. Yes can get more easily and solid lock from rear aspect compared to C-S5 (you can still do it in C-S5 in certain condition) but you can still easily notch it and chaffed S530D even with the 5F. Radar is “good tier” but not exceptional as before.

So since then, now i would say yes but for other reason.

  • As said by @MiG_23M, M2K and weaponary is currently underperforming in some aspect and bug fixing are coming, hopefully soon (thanks to him, @DirectSupport , Zayf and others)

  • Mirage 2000 5F is “theoricaly” the last step before next era (aka Rafale and PESA radar era for French nation)
    they can still add other mirage version but since our current 5F is already a bit Frankenstain, i doubt they will add more, (they can still add Mirage 4000, but it will end in the same “yak-141” territory)

  • Mirage 2000 5F is already future proof as you asked for AIR/AIR.
    5F is Fox 3 ready, MICA (EM) has the capability to be a “top tier” fox 3. Magic 2 can be upgraded, and if it’s not enough can possibly be switched with MICA “IR” (since the war thunder mirage 5F is already frankenstain). + the fact 5F with fox 3 will have now 6 missiles in total, compared to 4 currently in the game.

So to be short, if you have already C-S5 and you doing well with it, and don’t want to return in the grind process, no it’s not neccesary. If you want to take advance for future update so you will just to wait to have a very strong aircraft, yes go for it.

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Meteor was only added to last versions aircraft, which mean Rafale F3R-F4, Gripen NG (E/F) Typhoon later version, and F-35. So i guess we won’t see until multiples years.

MICA is already very strong if compared to Aim 120-A/B, and R-77 (first version).
Problem is when we will see this coming, and how Gaijin will implement Fox-3. MICA and PL-12 has been already datamined for sure, but it’s strong capability can put both missiles on hold because of early versions of fox-3 (like aim-120 a).

same flight model, same missiles. only difference is the improved radar. if you have nothing to research go ahead.

Do you have confirmation or are you just speculating? Because sometimes it takes ages for them to implement changes

Speculation

It is speculation that it will be fixed next patch, however the Mirage 2000 WILL be seeing a FM update according to response on my bug report; Community Bug Reporting System

Calling it an arcade game is to simpley I’d say which is causign the argument here. They are trying for realism while keeping the game playable. The game is about realism and often is somewhat realistic or at least authentic in it’s realism but it is no simulator.