Wuth the MAW modification the 5EI has identical CM dispenser as the 5F, since they have the same Eclair model as of now. I believe there was some talk about having the 5EI MAW removed since it never got it, but according to Smin we would need to prove that the 5EI never equipped it even once, which is a bit stupid. You can’t prove something never happened
Then we can fight to remove the HMS on the 5F is you are going to be sour about it
There is no need for that, its already inferior to our French version due to not bein able to do CAS, not to mention why would anyone fly with Mirage2K in Chinese Tech tree when you have J-10?
Personally i didnt even bother to Grind Tawainese Mirage2000 since J-10 is better, let them enjoy their inferior Mirage.
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I ain’t concerned in that. I recall seeing it around.
The idea of the French Mirage having HMS is that, it was tested, so it has it in game, even if not in service IRL. quoting Smin on that
The idea of some people is that the Taiwanese version never even tried the MAW system.
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Well, the playerbase seems interested to play the Mirage 2000-5EI. I don’t know how long it last, but with the Mirage 2000 now present in Chinese Tech Tree. The Mirage 2000 are now around 2-5 aircraft in an average match.
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To my knowledge and to that of most, it has the ICMS Mk2 as the 5F, it also has the same MAWS receivers and SPIRALE Kit as on the french ones, unless you have something else that shows otherwise then it does indeed recieve the same MAW system
Because it’s far more interesting than the J-10 and personally suits my playstyle two fold compared to the J-10A, plus I hadn’t experienced MICAs which are now currently my favourite missile in game. To add to your final point, who are you to be spiteful, surely you realise that a larger playerbase of the Mirage, especially one as vocal as the chinese, will prompt gaijin to address more issues with the jet, so it benefits literally everyone but the people fighting us in game.
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J-10 sucks in drag tbh, it’s the slowest aircraft in top tier, really, even slower than MiG-29 and Su-27. If only J-10 at least share at least almost the same drag as the Gripen, I would play J-10 again.
For now, I rather pass and play Mirage 2000 which is literally the J-10 but exponentially better in overall.
IMO, the J-10 FM is almost like Mirage 2000 old FM with exception in drag, it’s a king of two circle dogfighter.
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No its not, especially if you experienced French Tech tree, only people who grinded one nation will find it that way.
Also i can say the same thing for J-10, even tho its an active delta canard like Gripen it offers far more interesting experience than other jets.
Both plane almost requires same playstyle, if you couldnt perform in J-10 then its your skill issue.
They are just OK, they lack range and has insane drag compare to their real life performance, thrust vectoring is not something that comes in handy most of the times, plus PL-12 has much better performance on range while having similiar pull capabilities.
You’re just overestimating the ingame MICA right now.
Then let me tell you something, who are you to judge my ideas? Compare to first days i see one or two Tawainese Mirages at most, meanwhile people are still playing with J-10 regularly.
Safe to say keep your opinions to yourself if you’re gonna be this toxic.
J-10 only sucks when its loaded with missiles, tbh i still find ackward that Mirage2k can achieve higher top speed with same amount of ordinance while having much less powerful engine.
It is because the drag of its aircraft is totally awful, how the hell the aircraft that are literally powered by Su-27 engine have worser drag than the Phantom. For consideration, the aircraft weight is pretty much comparable to F-16C. Of course F-16C have lesser drag due to its configuration, and the canards and its fuselage of J-10 configuration would give a better lift in exchange with drag, but is it really that so dragged?
I think it has to do with its wing slat that always deploy at every speed, of course it would make a good two circle fighter, but 1v1 dogfight in top tier is so rarely happen now.
Mirage 2000 have the lowest drag in all of top tier aircraft btw, in case you don’t know.
Im aware that drag ratios are completely messed up, how else can you explain that J-10 can be slower than Mirage2K on deck while having same amount of ordinance.
Tbh Gripen Also have active canards but i dont have any issues passing 1360km on the deck with full ordinance and considering it has even less powerful engine than Mirage2K there is literally something wrong in here.
Which is bs, As a multination main i find it pretty hilarous that Mirage can achieve those speeds on deck with that kind of armament.
The MAW receiver are found on the MICA and Magic 2 pylon. IIRC there has not been a picture of the 5EI carrying those pylons
@Dokachan0816 @Braindit1234 I have tested in the Tacview. The chaff pod of Mirage 2000 are indeed Large Calibre Chaff despite in game showed only as “Chaff Countermeasure”. So its effectiveness is same as the Su-27 Countermeasure.
For reference, the orange one is small calibre flare, and the blue one is is large calibre chaff.
I take this reference from DEFYN’s chart of countermeasure luminosity, as you can see the blue one are bigger because have better luminosity than the orange one.
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Yeah but that is the reason why Mirage 2000 at least for now better than the J-10. I’m not an aircraft expert, but does it already realistic that Mirage 2000 carrying 8 missiles are much slower than Mirage 2000 that carries only 4 missiles?
For J-10, agree, it is crazy that in a straight line this aircraft are even slower than Phantom! The turn rate are pretty realistic, the wing slats that deploy at every speed make this aircraft is the literal definition of flying airbrake.
But for a delta wing aircraft, it kinda defeats its purpose if it can’t reach high speed in a straight line.
IIRC correctly, the rip speed of Mirage 2000 are artificial and don’t use usual Gaijin standard, this was reported by @Zayf and it was denied immidiately by the report manager. If it also use Gaijin standard, it would be insane that Mirage 2000 can literally reach 1550 km/h speed in a sea level lol.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/3YU7D2l2wdFU
ANOTHER EDIT (SORRY): And ironically enough, the Mirage 4000 don’t suffer the same fate, although it is still lower than @Zayf asked in the bug report (1540 km/h).
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/uhS4VmM7jfBb
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I did not know this. Thanks for letting me know <3
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That’s why I stopped playing on the j10a and now I only play on the mirage 2000-5ei. The plane flies much better in a straight line, accelerates much better, and has much more countermeasures. If the j10a had normal air resistance, I don’t think it would be so obvious which aircraft is better.
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I really hope that gajin will not be ruined in the same way by J-10B and J-10C, because I will cry if everything is as bad with air resistance
Its not better than J-10, you’re looking at one aspect and claiming J-10 inferior while in reality both planes counter each other on different paths.
J-10 has:
Better Dogfight Capabilities and overall flight performance
Better Acceleration and Climb Rate
Better Fox-3 missiles
Meanwhile Mirage has:
More countermeasures and MAW system.
Higher Speed with Same ordinance.
In practice J-10 beats Mirage2000 in 1vs1 scenario.
Thats the funny part, no matter how many missiles you are carrying you will reach your rip speed on deck in Mirage2000 which is why i find it bullshite in the first place.
Yup.
Exactly and i dont know how Gaijin messed this up, especially when you look at Mirage and Gripen.
Iırc it will reach and rip around 1530-1550km on deck no matter how many missiles you are carrying.
It may be better in combat, but it’s much easier and more enjoyable to play and run on the mirage 2000. On the j10, it feels like I’m flying on a permanent air brake
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