Mirage 2000 Thread : Variants, performance, characteristics and sources

I know EXACTLY what you mean.

Back in the day I also tried to get the Etendard IVM fixed.
I distinctly remember bug-reporting the missing radar as well as the lack of CCIP.

The user manual was easy enouth to find.
It had a few pages that described the capabilities of the small radar in detail.
There was the range as well as the peak power and basically all relevant information necessary to model it in the game.

In addition it was also described how the information provided by the radar was used to calculate a firing solution for :

  • Guns in air-to-air
  • Missile firing enveloppe
  • Rocket impact point
  • Bomb impact point

It even had drawings for how all of this would be displayed in the HUD and how to use all of the symbology.

I made a bug report and even kindly translated the relevant excerpts to English since French is my native language and some of the wording may have been confusing for a non fluent speaker.

I was told that :

  1. They already had the user manual prior to my report.
  2. The system I described wasn’t actually a radar.
  3. The system I described wasn’t capable of CCIP.

It very seriously felt like they didn’t even bother reading my bug report before responding.
Clearly it was brushed off with little to no consideration.

Fast forward to two or three years later and guess what ?
It actually got THE EXACT radar system I described back then as well as CCIP for bombs and rockets.

Everyone from back then that used to read the France top tier related topics and/or make bug reports knows the guy in charge of France either :

  • Hated France and intentionally held France back.
  • Didn’t speak a word of French.
  • Was wildly incompetent.

This also explains why EXTREMELY DUBIOUS russian sources somehow took priority over french documents from trusted sources on several occasions.

I personnaly prefer to believe the guy to simply be incompetent instead of accusing him of malice.
I haven’t made a single bug report since then, I just couldn’t bring myself to do it anymore.

Granted things seem to have gotten much better since then, maybe the guy in charge changed or it’s simply thanks to the fact google translate got significantly better idk.

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what i hate most about it is France isn’t even that strong (in warthunder) gaijin treats it like its just this busted nation the only time i can think when France was super op was when the Leclerc s1 was added 4 years ago and the ebr 1954 spam and possibly when the Lorraine 40t was under br and for air i cant think of a time

For air the only time France got close to having something OP was back when the Mirage IIIC was added with the Magic 1 but that was also the most balanced update in the history of air top tier so nobody really complained.

when magics had range fun times

Can you link any of those reports?
Can you identify the person you claim is “incompetent”?
Can you show the document you are citing?

That was on the old forum (obviously) so I don’t even know how I would go about finding those now.
And I honestly don’t want to bother.

I don’t care wether you believe me or not, those that were around back then know.
There were easily some 40 something pages of forum posts complaining about Gaijin’s lack of fixes despite the correctly sourced bug reports and after that we all just kind of gave up and deserted the thread.

As I said already things have visibly changed since then and even if it took years the features were implemented so I don’t even get why you would want to see those.

Found them it took all of 30 seconds to look.

Start with the IVM topic

and the link to the page was this one

A further explanation of CCIP

If I find any live reports I’ll add them here.
EDIT: first set found on Page 11

We have one for the addition of a Radar:

CCIP:

They appear to both have used excerpts from the following document.

IVM pilot’s manual (in French)

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Damn, I didn’t know it was simply hosted at another adress.
This is not the bug report tho, just one of my posts.
I doubt the bug reports can still be found as they were hidden once passed to the devs.

BTW the 40 something (IIRC) pages of ranting were deteled by moderators as pretty much all of it broke forum rules (we were very salty).
I’m almost impressed only 23 pages remained.

Sweet I’ll take a look at this tonight when I’m home.
If there is an issue that can be pinpointed I’d be surprised tho.

If i remember well, both Radar& CCIP were corrected after my bug reports on subjects (for Etendard IVM)
(And even there,… the bug reports stood 2 years before the fix came in the game)

But, to go back on why Gaijin is in trouble:

French military documents aren’t simply translated, as the french in use to those documents is different from the french we basically use.

The Military french is methodical and specific, as it uses specifics terms to describes any systems.

So an Non-Native French reader is unable to understand the most part of those documents.

This was made in order to limitate the use of any potentially stolen/copied documents by any foreign spying agencies.

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The only issues left are :
Cockpit visuals- lights / others thing not functionnal when using CCIP/Air weapons
Gunsight visuals - not fully functionnal for use of Air weapons/CCIP

EDIT :
Radar Air to Ground and Air to Sea modes are unavailble in game yet.

I’m curious to know how much they could have messed up vehicles because of translation

Getting a good translator is hard & expensive.
& how many French translators are offering their services to Gaijin to begin with?

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i honestly didn’t think mica ir was ever carried on rear pilons but i guess them being able to use ins would make sense

Not sure how that works unless it’s required the forward missiles get fired first.

at very close ranges probs but for bvr it should work fine

All MICA variants have Datalink, INS and LOAL; a lock is not necessary before launch.

do we have any sort how guess for the seeker range itself or will gaijin have to pull a magic number

I am not aware of any numbers, maybe m8 @DirectSupport does, but I have doubts that there are official (public) numbers.

If they’re classified, they’ll probably reference similar missiles such as AAM-5 or R-73M.
If they’re not classified, then all good.