I can’t demonstrate it but I know what I see in game. I can reliably notch every radar missile except the aim7.
What is your overall issue anyway
A huge pet peeve when it comes to people who can’t play fair and rely on exploits, cheats, handholding or plain bias. And I’m not aimlessly ranting. I’m simply comparing the Aim7 performance to the 530D and commenting on one reason why the former is vastly superior.
It’s really a shame we can’t put matches into Tacview
The argument is now that the AIM-7F/M overperforms in comparison to the Super 530D which is again, untrue… in the sense that the Super 530D is just bugged and the AIM-7F/M performs as it should. The only finger to point here is that they could nerf the AIM-7F slightly if they modeled the difference between seeker types (conscan and monopulse). That issue isn’t solely attached to the AIM-7 though, so we can’t say the Sparrow is the issue here either.
Argument never changed. The AIM7 ignores heavy chaffs and notching, while also tracking hot/cold targets regardless of clutter or (mostly) altitude
Meanwhile the 530D blows up immediately on >60 degrees targets regardless of mode, backdrop, chaff, clutter and its lock strength is arbitrarily hardcoded to altitude as my video showed. Stop trying to drown the fish, it’s obvious why the 530D is gimped while the 7M/F overperforms (12 years older btw).
Tell me something, I only got my first 2000 a few months ago, was the 530D always this bad and “bugged”?
I don’t think it’s obvious, I’d really like your explanation.
The Super 530D is bugged, the AIM-7(s), Skyflash(s), R-23/24R, and any other radar missiles all tend to perform a certain way (accurately, nothing more or less) and there really isn’t much of a discrepancy. The Super 530F/D have had some inaccuracies that were corrected (or are being corrected) and a number of bugs whether they were common with other missiles or not… I’ve seen no clear case of bias anywhere, and actually evidence to the contrary.
When other missiles are overperforming they’re fixed generally pretty quickly, if they’re bugged it takes some time to track that stuff down and find out why. Have some patience, stop crying wolf.
I’d say tyhe main problem with 530D regarding his overall performances to this day is that launching one is kind of gambling with your life like sometimes it will do crazy moves or achieve spectacularly long range shot and other times they will explode mid air because your radar blinked two times or you lost lock and re acquired it one second after which is apparently too late. To sum up the hard times the missile gave me i’d say it’s acceleration could be better/his drag reduced because i think this has kind of a lot of influence on his overall performances at verious ranges. Also at medium range(15km shots most of time) sometimes th missile seem to perform a lot more like a 530 than a 530D for example i shoot an ennemy approaching being higher than me at 15km of distance the missile tracks fine all along but in final approach the ennemy just do slight move or a little pull down and the missile does not follow well enough like it had only 15 or less G pull even though it stopped burning like 2 sec before so it should have hit because it had energy and lock was solid. Also thing i noticed to all people saying you can’t use 530D for a hunt from behind when someone flees you just have to know your ranges; the missile will start having a hard time to close in to a fleeing target if this one is 8km or further away from you when you rear shot but the missile doesn’t seem to have problems when fired in proper rear shot and not some mid ass half rear shot where you launch it when the ennemy is in notch sector. The 530D is not a point and click missile like most others that’s a fact but until it is fixed we’ll have to deal with it.
I know EXACTLY what you mean.
Back in the day I also tried to get the Etendard IVM fixed.
I distinctly remember bug-reporting the missing radar as well as the lack of CCIP.
The user manual was easy enouth to find.
It had a few pages that described the capabilities of the small radar in detail.
There was the range as well as the peak power and basically all relevant information necessary to model it in the game.
In addition it was also described how the information provided by the radar was used to calculate a firing solution for :
It even had drawings for how all of this would be displayed in the HUD and how to use all of the symbology.
I made a bug report and even kindly translated the relevant excerpts to English since French is my native language and some of the wording may have been confusing for a non fluent speaker.
I was told that :
It very seriously felt like they didn’t even bother reading my bug report before responding.
Clearly it was brushed off with little to no consideration.
Fast forward to two or three years later and guess what ?
It actually got THE EXACT radar system I described back then as well as CCIP for bombs and rockets.
Everyone from back then that used to read the France top tier related topics and/or make bug reports knows the guy in charge of France either :
This also explains why EXTREMELY DUBIOUS russian sources somehow took priority over french documents from trusted sources on several occasions.
I personnaly prefer to believe the guy to simply be incompetent instead of accusing him of malice.
I haven’t made a single bug report since then, I just couldn’t bring myself to do it anymore.
Granted things seem to have gotten much better since then, maybe the guy in charge changed or it’s simply thanks to the fact google translate got significantly better idk.
what i hate most about it is France isn’t even that strong (in warthunder) gaijin treats it like its just this busted nation the only time i can think when France was super op was when the Leclerc s1 was added 4 years ago and the ebr 1954 spam and possibly when the Lorraine 40t was under br and for air i cant think of a time
For air the only time France got close to having something OP was back when the Mirage IIIC was added with the Magic 1 but that was also the most balanced update in the history of air top tier so nobody really complained.
when magics had range fun times
Can you link any of those reports?
Can you identify the person you claim is “incompetent”?
Can you show the document you are citing?
That was on the old forum (obviously) so I don’t even know how I would go about finding those now.
And I honestly don’t want to bother.
I don’t care wether you believe me or not, those that were around back then know.
There were easily some 40 something pages of forum posts complaining about Gaijin’s lack of fixes despite the correctly sourced bug reports and after that we all just kind of gave up and deserted the thread.
As I said already things have visibly changed since then and even if it took years the features were implemented so I don’t even get why you would want to see those.
Found them it took all of 30 seconds to look.
Start with the IVM topic
and the link to the page was this one
A further explanation of CCIP
If I find any live reports I’ll add them here.
EDIT: first set found on Page 11
We have one for the addition of a Radar:
CCIP:
They appear to both have used excerpts from the following document.
IVM pilot’s manual (in French)
Damn, I didn’t know it was simply hosted at another adress.
This is not the bug report tho, just one of my posts.
I doubt the bug reports can still be found as they were hidden once passed to the devs.
BTW the 40 something (IIRC) pages of ranting were deteled by moderators as pretty much all of it broke forum rules (we were very salty).
I’m almost impressed only 23 pages remained.
Sweet I’ll take a look at this tonight when I’m home.
If there is an issue that can be pinpointed I’d be surprised tho.
If i remember well, both Radar& CCIP were corrected after my bug reports on subjects (for Etendard IVM)
(And even there,… the bug reports stood 2 years before the fix came in the game)
But, to go back on why Gaijin is in trouble:
French military documents aren’t simply translated, as the french in use to those documents is different from the french we basically use.
The Military french is methodical and specific, as it uses specifics terms to describes any systems.
So an Non-Native French reader is unable to understand the most part of those documents.
This was made in order to limitate the use of any potentially stolen/copied documents by any foreign spying agencies.
The only issues left are :
Cockpit visuals- lights / others thing not functionnal when using CCIP/Air weapons
Gunsight visuals - not fully functionnal for use of Air weapons/CCIP
EDIT :
Radar Air to Ground and Air to Sea modes are unavailble in game yet.
I’m curious to know how much they could have messed up vehicles because of translation
Getting a good translator is hard & expensive.
& how many French translators are offering their services to Gaijin to begin with?
Not sure how that works unless it’s required the forward missiles get fired first.
