I’m not talking about countermeasures and notching, just the 530D being unable to maneuver and hit a target in what appears to be 75% of circumstances
I mean, yeah. The F-14 can switch from TRK PD HDN to SRC and most of the time the AIM-7F will continue to guide through a notch and even sometimes ignore chaff.
You mean it’s in SRC, not TRK, and the missile continues tracking regardless of chaff and notch? Lmfao that’s not even surprising though, one more ridiculously unrealistic crutch to boost the dopamine in whales
It’s hardly unrealistic, its just that a significant number of mechanics are simplified across various aspects relating to missiles, Radars, the EM spectrum and Countermeasures among many others, so the implementation across the board isn’t quite right. It just so happens that we probably have the most detailed information about the Sparrow of all relevant systems.
Practically the only way to defeat a Sparrow should be you either;
Break the Shooter’s track
or
Defeat the Shot kinematically.
Notching and Chaff wouldn’t help in all scenarios (especially if MLC isn’t an issue due to look angle or altitude). It would need DECM & ECM pods (non radar sensors / BST mode and other auxiliary guidance methods & modes complicate things).
A missile tracking a search echo and ignoring clutter around it (such as chaffs) in a notch isn’t some edge case that we need to dig through a tactical manual for. That’s like when the R27ER had a data link capability like the Phoenix in the early weeks.
That being said I can’t reproduce in test flight with the F4S so idk if it’s a F14 specific thing. All I know is that whether i keep the jet or the missile at exactly 90 degrees, jinking up and down and chaffing, it still tracks like a R27ER tracks a head on target
And even if this is accurate and the Sparrow is somehow notch and chaff-proof, then they’re simply unfair and undertiered especially given how many they carry. Boils down to the same thing, handholding of the most lucrative nation, at least in ARB
The R-27ER still has a datalink capability similar to the Phoenix, it just lacks an active radar.
There is quite literally no hand-holding being done.
A missile tracking through sparse chaff and outside of a notch (It’s standard TRK, pulse mode… not pulse doppler)… seems you need to do some reading on the subject before making inflammatory comments like these. They’re not helpful at all. Especially when the topic was originally about bugs / issues with the Super 530D.
Slimy. You know damn well I’m talking about when the R27ER could get mid course updates from TWS which is why I said like the Phoenix since that’s unique to it.
Aim7 isn’t tracking through “sparse chaff”, I dump everything I can every time while either notching the radar or going cold+jinking and it still tracks. If calling that out is “inflammatory” then I’m guessing you depend on these “mechanics”, which are as realistic as the pre-nerf 9L.
Datalink updates from TWS are an entirely different thing, datalink itself is quite specific. If you had mentioned TWS there would not have been a misunderstanding. Regardless, it was fixed rather quickly so what is the issue?
Can you demonstrate repeatably that it tracks through heavy chaff and jinking? Also yes, the “pre-nerf” AIM-9L was a bit more realistic than the current one based on documentation. The current one is too prone to eating flares when tracking afterburning targets.
What is your overall issue anyway? You seem to just be ranting aimlessly at this point.
I must be playing a different game than you guys.
I would estimate that I have a 70% success rate with the 530D in the 2k-5.
Most of the failures happen when I decide to take a high risk shot for the hell of it
The fact that it works within certain constraints isn’t the issue. It doesn’t work in areas and situations when it should.
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That’s what they want you to think,… i had many information on older aircrafts, and the modelisation was as bad as 2013 models in their prime,…
So no,… Gaijin just don’t have anyone in Company reading french of military documents,… they do understand 20% of all information given by those docs (flight manuals / french testing reviews)
I’ve seen it multiple times when i did tried to fix the Etendard IVM which have been fixed 3 years after release.
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If they lack an informant on French documents who can read and accurately translate that information it would make sense but that doesn’t disprove anything @AlvisWisla said. He said that they are not intentionally nerfing any particular weapon system. Their focus may not be on France as a minor nation in the game, but it certainly isn’t on going out of their way to make them suffer. And from experience it seems that going out of your way to rant and complain about this stuff tends to make it take longer to get fixed. The only exception to that seems to be a much larger community outreach.
As explainned earlier,… i did workout Bug report when it’s compatible regarding Laws of secrecy, on which France have a 50 years limit on it, after they’re published in military.
But most of the time, those same systems also needs to reach 30 years after French military stopped using it before it finally obtains the seal removed,…
So, apart ranting as i do about the most recent stuff (and for Mirage 2000-5F it’s really workable outside of military grade documents), i can’t workout Bug reports that are unfitting those requirements of unsealed documents.
Sorry, not sorry
Unfortunately for me below 10k feet the 530D seems to not be able to make it above mach 1.5 so it becomes pretty damn easy to defeat kinetically
idk how long its at mach 5 for but at some points i feel like im catching up to the missile
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I can’t demonstrate it but I know what I see in game. I can reliably notch every radar missile except the aim7.
What is your overall issue anyway
A huge pet peeve when it comes to people who can’t play fair and rely on exploits, cheats, handholding or plain bias. And I’m not aimlessly ranting. I’m simply comparing the Aim7 performance to the 530D and commenting on one reason why the former is vastly superior.
It’s really a shame we can’t put matches into Tacview
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The argument is now that the AIM-7F/M overperforms in comparison to the Super 530D which is again, untrue… in the sense that the Super 530D is just bugged and the AIM-7F/M performs as it should. The only finger to point here is that they could nerf the AIM-7F slightly if they modeled the difference between seeker types (conscan and monopulse). That issue isn’t solely attached to the AIM-7 though, so we can’t say the Sparrow is the issue here either.
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Argument never changed. The AIM7 ignores heavy chaffs and notching, while also tracking hot/cold targets regardless of clutter or (mostly) altitude
Meanwhile the 530D blows up immediately on >60 degrees targets regardless of mode, backdrop, chaff, clutter and its lock strength is arbitrarily hardcoded to altitude as my video showed. Stop trying to drown the fish, it’s obvious why the 530D is gimped while the 7M/F overperforms (12 years older btw).
Tell me something, I only got my first 2000 a few months ago, was the 530D always this bad and “bugged”?
I don’t think it’s obvious, I’d really like your explanation.
The Super 530D is bugged, the AIM-7(s), Skyflash(s), R-23/24R, and any other radar missiles all tend to perform a certain way (accurately, nothing more or less) and there really isn’t much of a discrepancy. The Super 530F/D have had some inaccuracies that were corrected (or are being corrected) and a number of bugs whether they were common with other missiles or not… I’ve seen no clear case of bias anywhere, and actually evidence to the contrary.
When other missiles are overperforming they’re fixed generally pretty quickly, if they’re bugged it takes some time to track that stuff down and find out why. Have some patience, stop crying wolf.
I’d say tyhe main problem with 530D regarding his overall performances to this day is that launching one is kind of gambling with your life like sometimes it will do crazy moves or achieve spectacularly long range shot and other times they will explode mid air because your radar blinked two times or you lost lock and re acquired it one second after which is apparently too late. To sum up the hard times the missile gave me i’d say it’s acceleration could be better/his drag reduced because i think this has kind of a lot of influence on his overall performances at verious ranges. Also at medium range(15km shots most of time) sometimes th missile seem to perform a lot more like a 530 than a 530D for example i shoot an ennemy approaching being higher than me at 15km of distance the missile tracks fine all along but in final approach the ennemy just do slight move or a little pull down and the missile does not follow well enough like it had only 15 or less G pull even though it stopped burning like 2 sec before so it should have hit because it had energy and lock was solid. Also thing i noticed to all people saying you can’t use 530D for a hunt from behind when someone flees you just have to know your ranges; the missile will start having a hard time to close in to a fleeing target if this one is 8km or further away from you when you rear shot but the missile doesn’t seem to have problems when fired in proper rear shot and not some mid ass half rear shot where you launch it when the ennemy is in notch sector. The 530D is not a point and click missile like most others that’s a fact but until it is fixed we’ll have to deal with it.
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