aye!" man don’t put word in my mouth like that again ight ? and i think you didn’t even read my comment you just glans and rush to reply to me while i was clearly saying more than ones that mica ir has 50g vs 35g and better irccm technology and your wrong about mica being better manoeuvring missile than r73 at least in short range 2km and below because the mica ir has 2 stage booster/ sustainer booster of 21000kn for 2.8 second and sustainer of 11000kn for 4.5 second vs r73 of just 15500kn for 5.5 seconds that would lead the mica to overshot because of how fast it is until the booster is out the mica doesn’t turn as hard as with its sustainer on and its on strike aircraft and has only 2 of them and they will come very close maybe 3 or 5 month before the ef2000 or Rafal is being added anyway read my comment again and than come back to do your stuff whatever it is
.
where did i even put words in your mouth ? im just stating that youre completely undervalue the difference between the two irccm tech and how did you fail to mention that the mica does have thrust vectoring making the 35g vs 50g is dishonest at best it is not just a 15g difference.
the mica is more maneubrable than the r73, it can support higher g and the motor is activated for longer which means that the thrust vectoring is also present for longer, even the radar version that we have in game pulls arguably harder.
how many does it have is pretty much meaning less, as there is no reason for then to get those more advanced missile above literally any other aircafts, and as a reminder we don even have the aim 9m8, the r73m or the photoon 4 which all of those much less powerful than the mica, keep in mind that youre asking for one of the most advanced missiles in the world, which are 2 steps ahead of the current ir missiles in game
how is that being close to adding those two makes a difference whenever the mirage 2000d should get mica ir now ? when to begin we dont even know if those 2 planes will come with asraams, mica ir or irist, specially when the earilier version of those panes could also carry aim 9 or magic 2 which are more in line to the missiles that we currently have in game and probably are the variants that we will see first.
Do you ever stop crying? Like is there a point in your life where you don’t act whinny? Any tactic i listed to you works for me if you can’t perform them… Well question yourself.
And you have a team too you talk like all your matches are YOU alone VS Ennemy team. Also i never talked about not giving missiles to RAF and EFT or anything just that Airframe performance will allow for easier evasion ccompared to any other aircraft and that if you end up in a DF you have 98% chances of winning easily without firing a single missile during the fight.
In WarThunder case Smart Flares/Multispectral flares have not been worked on so far.
Mirage 2000 would benefit too. Obviously Rafale and Typhoon will benefit of it too. And quite a bit of planes would benefit of ECM. I don’t know what you mean by that quote.
aye man you gotta good point but I’m not going to just sit here and argued with wall sry man you+ everybody here know that damn mica has TVS and
python4 is on bar with mica and next gen missile not 9m and r73 python4 has 50g turn and at least similar range to R27et because of booster/ sustainer method booster for 3s and 17600kn and sustainer of 8000kn for 5 second it has same Dv as 27et
Making cognisant points, is being whinny.
We were having a discussion, it seems you are incapable.
Yes a team of Typhoons will lose to a team of equally skilled F-15/C F/A-18C the weight of missiles is an advantage. We already have a Mirage 2000 and Gripen we are hardly trying to dodge missiles in airframes that cannot evade.
Tornado was one of the first aircraft to incorporate towed radar decoys and ECM pods.
No.
Strike aircraft are supposed to suck against dedicated fighter. You have GRB and Sim if you want to use them. This moronic train of thoughts is what gave us 10.0 Aim9L and 11.3 Aim9M on A10. This is bad for the game. If you don’t want to die to fighters, you have to use a fighter yourself. That’s it. gaijin should NEVER balance strike aircraft so they “'have a chance”. It just make things worse.
And on top of that, you can’t be freaking serious by comparing the lower tier attackers with the top tier that includes F15E (currently the best aircraft ingame in term of flight performance), a freaking M2000 (same flight model as the S5) and a Su-34 which is just a fat Su27.
It’s insane you are equating using an advanced IR missile against jets with lots of counter measures and can fly Mach 2.0 as the same as 8.7s being forced to fight A-10s and Su-25…with all aspect missiles.
They will both consistently face top tier aircraft or near top tier aircraft.
Lower tier is irrelevant when they will face top tier aircraft in all game modes. Asking for an aircraft to be able to defend itself isn’t overpowered (or should we just remove all short range IR missiles on ground attackers?)
That’s your view if you play top tier you will see that ground attackers are food, and not worth taking
Imaging IR seekers in WT cannot be decoyed by flares or DIRCM. If you have ever tried to kill a Ka-50/52 with a AGM-65D with IIR seeker, it will happily ignore their flares and DIRCM.
Now swap the missile from a flying 250 pound bomb with a short burn motor to a very agile AAM with a significantly longer burn. It pains me to admit this but MICA IR, if added to the game now would be far too much. Mechanics need to be modified or added before the game can handle IIR seekers on AAMs.
that was kind of my whole point add the missile but the irccm and other stuff can be tweaked to make it lees powerful and they only 2 man like the lest plane that carry missile is j39 with 4 good fox3 and 2 good 9m like what are we even arguing about that’s what i didn’t understand
because we don’t want imaging ir seekers in the game
Okay guys.
In the pas 40 messages at least it’s been 20 posts of people repeating the same arguments again and again, followed by 20 comments on the F15 and Typhoon.
Please go back on track or use DM, or go the the appropriate thread if you want to talk/argue about things not related to the mirages
Are there any changes to M4K countermeasures on the dev server?
As far as we know nothing’s changed. Neither in terms of countermeasure counts nor in terms of the missing armament
fr
Hey, Lets remember to stay on topic with this thread going forward.
With the update coming today, I guess the countermeasure of Mirage 4000 will be still under suggestion instead it will be implemented, just like F-16AM PIDS Pod can carry missile.
Well at least we got Mirage 2000 historical countermeasure count, Mirage 4000 is dead anyway in a 13.0 Matchmaker that always got fully uptiered.
erm, i think those 2 need to go down im br ngl.
Yeah I agree. 2 magic 2s, even with HMD, does not warrant up tiers to top tier
Have the fuel tanks for the wings been added?