Mirage 2000 Thread : Variants, performance, characteristics and sources

No problem if gajin renamed vehicle on tech tree and stat card

Mirage 2000D-R1 → Mirage 2000D-R2

Or gajin might ready Thales TALIOS instead Damocles targeting pod for Mirage 2000D RMV next year ?

The guy wasn’t farming the M2KD RMV, it’s the same as the R1 in terms of performance and Air Air capacity and in addition the radar has been changed so the air air capacity has been removed, it’s more realistic yes but It nerfs the plane xD. In addition in 12.7 particularly good luck with 2 magic against F15E have fun xD
The Gr.4 tornado is 12.3 and Gaijin just doesn’t like French planes.

Is there any point to using the RMV? It seems very lacklustre, it’s like a 5F without the air to air capability…

@Hylian_Knights
Quick question, to what extent do you have to ruin the stats of the plane for the Excel spreadsheet to display it in Red and for Gaijin to want to change it to Br?
This may be the quickest solution to get him down from Br as quickly as possible ^^

No, it’s useless, unless you want to have fun with the new PGMs

The new ground armement makes it better than the 5F in that aspect. I would even say better than the f16am. The RMV is a solid CAS upgrade imo. Air to air wise it’s at a BR it should not be at, just like the 13.0 F16A that does not have radar missiles

I don’t know. AASM might come. MICA IR I’m a bit doubtful it will come in the next few updates. It will depends on the stats of the plane (so percentage of full up tiers), and if dev think high tier is ready for modern IR missiles. As of now the MICA IR would use the same type of guidance as the spike in game for exemple, which is impossible to flare in the current game. Same for IRUS-T and later 9X and R73 models as well

With the extra chaff, I’m converting the 54 small calibre flare as chaff, totalling 166 chaff. Now I’m not afraid to play aggressively and using its low drag airframe to go 180 degree and coming back while descending to increase the energy.

It’s crazy that the increased chaff count really makes this aircraft a lot more survivable than before.

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if only Magic-2’s IRCCM were closer to their real state, and not only a dumb copy paste of current R-73 in game.

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I’m personally only bringing more flares. 112 chaffs is great.
Right now they drop by pair but it’s apparently reported so that the ICD drops them one by one internally, bringing us to 112 individual chaff release

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As long we’re not in a closer quarter dogfight, I prefer converting those 54 flares to chaff. The speed of Mirage 2000 is already enough to kinetically dodge an IR Missile.

Still great though in the end. I hope in the next patch Mirage 4000 also receive its historical countermeasure.

Although I don’t know if Rafale would come in the next patch and Mirage 2000 still receive another buff like correct IRCCM, will it make Mirage 2000 totally obsolete or not.

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new laser GNSS is gonna be god

Velocity search doesn’t need FM ranging to find out the closure rate, its given with the doppler of the return. You need it if the waveform is HPRF ( the famous “HDN”)or CW and you want to find out range. And as it is Range - While - Search in HPRF, FM is used.

This story is old and comes from the N019 manual and it’s to prevent false measurements, minimum range of 9km and 100km as its the maximum range it can calculate. Could be an error but it says 3 <\Delta N<32 . Meaning a max \Delta N=31, it means a max range of 96.875km. <= 32 would make sense as it’s directly 100km. Could be due to ranging errors as the N019 naturally has ±4-5km errors from the actual range calculated.



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For example HPRF RWS on the older APG-63(preMSIP) just had a max ranging of 86 N.M. ( 160km, ingame its 120km lel). The condition is that the frequency filter number difference between the no-ramp and the first ramp up <=48. And that difference gives the range. Each integer is ~2 N.M. The other 2 condition are to verify frequency congruency
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And post msip it could’ve been increased. F18’s APG-65 which has 40% less range than the apg-63 came with a maximum ranging ability of 100N.M

Spoiler

If things were like in your video irl, dropping lock, firing a sparrow at close range wouldn’t be possible for F15s, F14s, F18s as lock would get “dropped” when the target gets within 5km.

Basically another if soviets can’t then the rest of the world can’t copium moment

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Thank you very much. Without FM-ranging (velocity search mode) for HPRF mode is the game dev’s reasoning behind the 5km minimum range mechanics. As far as I know, MiG-29 is the only plane that cannot show the target velocity under TWS mode. Let’s see what will happen if I can prove that RDI radar can search the distance and velocity of the scanned targets at the same time.

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It does already. Think of the transmitted RWS HPRF waveform divided in 3 phases. On the first one, the frequency, f_{0}, of each pulse remains constant. On the second phase, the frequency of each pulse is increased slightly every single time, by the end of the phase the each pulse a frequency that is f_{0}+BW_{1}(bandwidth). On the third phase, the frequency can either slightly increase at a different rate or decrease. At the end of the phase, the pulse will have a different frequency. f_{0}+BW_{1}(bandwidth) \pm BW_{2}(bandwidth).
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Note that the horizontal axis is time and vertical is frequency.
If we get a return of a target coming towards us, its will have a doppler frequency, The return signal will just move up and down. The difference is just doppler.
If the target is at x range, it means that we will receive the pulses at x amount of time. Look how that at a fixed doppler, the return signal can only move horizontally. Here we see that the phases than have an increase in frequency, the \Delta f between the transmitted and received signal will have an extra change in frequency in addition to the doppler. With a bit of math you can deduce an equation to relate range and that extra change in frequency. Thus you measure range with the frequency modulated phases.

Notice as well how even if the received signal is shifted horizontally, the \Delta f of the first( constant frequency) doesn’t change. Thus you get doppler which is proportional to closure rate.

You will get nowhere
The 5km thing is just the dev stuck up on how the N019(bad radar) works and therefore all radars have the same deficiencies and/or work the same.
For example N001/N019 are only able to lock on targets at 70% of their max detection range.
Previously all radar could lock up at 80% of the max detection range. Because the Mig 29 and SU27 have that, all western radars magically have this deficiency. Example, F15s APG-63 only have a ~10% loss
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and tornado F3 for example its 85-90%.

You also see it on low altitude flying, N001/N019 have a serious serious drop in performance when they fly under 3km and are looking at targets below the horizon. Close to a 50% in performance due to poor noise control.

If they were to introduce this what would happen, bingo! Everyone’s radars would be a shitty.
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Despite that not being the case. The original F16s APG66 has more range in the shorter range MPRF mode than the N019 in the HPRF( for long range detection) at low altitudes.

It’s a textbook " IF THE GREAT SOVIETS CAN’T, THEREFORE THE WEST CAN’T "

i have 2 things to say

  1. the new AB effects are very attractive especially with the 4K’s two M-53’s

  2. i have noticed the new DEFA, ADEN and AKAN sounds appear to literally just be slightly bassed up .30 cal sounds, this makes me very disappointed

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Yea, I got M2K D R1 a few days before the patch (I play Realistic Battles only). Before that, I thought it was a waste of time. After some matches it was quite ok. Not too good ground pounder. Not too good A2A, but manageable. After the patch, It’s hard as hell to do anything in it. Nerf to the radar (lack of TWS) makes it very hard to avoid groups of enemies. I guess RWR is a better radar (it gives you far more information) than real radar in game as it is. I’m close to RMV, but I start to wonder. Why it has 12.7 BR being blind (no actual working radar), no BVR missiles, and only 2x Magic 2? It doesn’t make sense at all. It should be the same BR as R1 (12.3).

The second thing is Mirage 2000D if it is a real plane described in the game, it’s the easiest kill in 21st century of all planes - A10 is better in battle awareness. If real radar doesn’t have TWS, how can this plane use Mica IR in beyond visual? If it can’t, then it’s the waste of French taxpayers money to upgrade this plane to a fantastic missile and use like 20% of its potential.

The radar works, but it is an air-to-ground radar.

I agree that the plane is too high in Br and that it deserves to be at least in 12.3, on the other hand to say that it’s the simplest kill of the games and quickly said, it’s still a Mirage 2000, the flight performance is still enough to come out victorious from the majority of dogfights.

I unlocked the 2000D RMV a few hours ago and if there’s one thing the plane suffers from, it’s the compression of the Br (playing uptier is really painful, especially stock) I’ve only played it a few times, this is my opinion so far

Regarding the capacity of the Mica, the missile is capable of being fired with the Datalink and since the 2000D RMV is equipped with the link 16 it could in theory (to be taken with a pinch of salt) fire them to their full potential this way.

EDIT: the biggest problem currently is the bug that affects many planes, countermeasures cannot be fired if the plane has bombs on board, that’s a real problem

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I mean, having the MICA IR without long range capabilities is better for self defense than throwing rocks once there are no more Magics in stock. Also the whole guiding MICAs using another aircraft’s radar come to mind.

I do agree that attackers have completely idiotic BRs for ARB tho, do remember that Gaijin left the Su-25SM3 at 12.3 when they separated BRs instead of lowering it to 11.3/.7 like it’s friends.
Best make a case for the RMV and R1 to drop to at least 12.0 since the 2000C are at 12.3.

It really is a great feeling to finally be able to nearly triple your reasonable amount of chaff and still have an ample supply of flares after months of those reports. Like you mentioned, if the 4K can finally get the Sycomor pod change it needs, and maybe some wishful brs get shuffled around; I think the all of the Mirages would be in the best positions they’ve ever been in.

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