Haha, even with the same empty mounting as dr1, the ARB is 0.4 higher
My bad, I understood it the other way
I’m French and my English is not the best
Im about to riot
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Damocles pod instead of Thalios
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no mention of gbu 16, 22, Bap 100, Bat120lg, AASM
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- Access to advanced missiles.
This sentance just feels criminal, as only Magic 2’s will be on the plane.
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No sight of the AuF2 (i think i got that right this time) double pylon under wing for bombs, and neither doesnt mention if the 4 rack pylon.
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No Mk82-EP
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No mention of A2G radar
i hope the plane will come in a more realistic configuration, no mention doesnt mean its not there/planned ig.
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While i understand the furstrations for GBU 16 and 22, BAP 100 and BAT120LG would be kinda pointless and AASM is impossible, or more like its is a “What if” RMV isn’t fitted with them and AASM capability was refused during the study phase of the program. So no AASM possible. Only 2000 that could get AASM is 5F iF the modified versions ffor ukraine are shown with AASM with support of pictures.
While i understand the furstrations for GBU 16 and 22, BAP 100 and BAT120LG would be kinda pointless
i mean, useless doesnt mean it should not be added, otherwise we wouldnt have stuff like RP-2 on Wessex, etc.
BAP 100/120 could even have increased airfield runway dmg, since its designed only for that (afaik)
AASM is impossible, or more like its is a “What if” RMV isn’t fitted with them and AASM capability was refused during the study phase of the program.
yeah, its not like gaijin ever gave a weapon to a plane which never carried it. Like the french TOTALLY used PGM’s on their mirage 2000’s and it was definetly not a 2000-9 UAE exclusive.
Jokes aside, i would rather see AASM hammer, which was tested on the 2000N for example, since AASM is atleast a weapon in french arsenal and was tested on french mirage 2000’s.
(IMO giving french m2k’s PGM bombs is like giving US f15C access to python 3’s IMO)
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The thing that differs between PGM and AASM is that AASM is actually good. PGM are just a lazy AASM thay gave us because otherwise we wouldn’t have any true long range weaponry. Also at the time 5F was introduced the people at gaijin were in a mutlirole madness. So they made the 5F multirole even if it’s false and i don’t stand with that decision but it seems any attempt to remove the A2G weaponry of 5F is bound to fail it has been tried and denied.
I’d also like the RMV to get AASM but i think the only planes that will get the luxury of having these weapons are Rafale and MF2000 if it ever get added.
Also keep in mind it’s Mach 2 capable haha.
The bug reports are made and accepted for the GBU 16 and 22 as well as for the Bat120LG and the Mk82-EP (for which I only made the bug report 2 hours ago).
With a little luck we will see these weapons for the update (there is no reason not to put the GBU in any case, they are not significant improvements) I also imagine that the Mk82-EP will also be added, its only difference with the classic Mk82 being the color of the tail and its protection in the event of impact
For light ammunition (Bat and Bap), I think it will be more complicated, the Bat120LG is too recent and too little information is known at the moment and the classic Bat120 is more of a cluster bomb than a classic bomb. The only bomb that I see being added would be the Bap100 but the anti-track bombs not being in play that would frankly surprise me
I also hope that the 1700 or 2000 liter tanks under the wings will be added
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that was marketing for F-104 : )
could be “Stock” bombs
Also for M2KD in that devblog.^^
huh? Everybody with sane mind knows that -5F was only an interceptor until the mk2 modification that was built for Greece
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Do gaijin devs/decision makers seem to have a sane mind to you?
I think there’s a need to go other a few things.
According to the French government, and pictures of the RMV, the RMV can use both Thalios and Damocles. As mentioned above, the Damocles is already about as good as it can be in game. Thalios would not bring much more. Zoom is great, thermal is great, and the pods are limited by their max range of 20km which is a game design issue rather than a pod issue.
For the GBUs, the 48, 49 and 50 are straight up upgrades other the 16 and 22, and have been datelined for the RMV. They use the same bomb and kit, but instead of just laser, they are also GPS. While better for historical accuracy, their lack would have absolutely no impact on the game
BAP 100 and 120GL would be more of a gimmick than anything else. Well, 120GL would be a fun glide bomb.
As for AASM, to answer pretty much everyone
Yes, the AASM could come to the RMV, since the D variant is basically a N that can’t fire nuclear bombs, and the RMV is a D variant. According to Gaijin’s book, since we’ve seen a N with AASM, the RMV could implement it (that’s also I guess the reason why the French -5F can use -9 armement since Gaijin did not made a proper check on wether those 2 are the same). Will it ? I am not sure. I hope so. My guess is that they might come this update if the devs can manage it (since it seems obvious they need to one up the R1 with the RMV without MICA), or in December with is a month and a half away.
As for the AASM, those were probably not planned at all. And like the AASM, they were reported, either externally or internally, so it should depend on if the devs manage to model them before update
I don’t think I’ve seen them reported. A report might have to be made. Either way, they could not change significantly from Mk82, aside from being actually worse since they might not deal much damage to tanks being airburst
Edit : nevermind a report was made like 3h ago
This is most probably coming. With the devs finally adding radar modes to the F15 and SU34 being usable as fighters, I expect the RMV and probably the 5F (following an old report on RDY ground modes) to have ground radar. The dev server is still getting updated constantly internally, so this could come for live even if it’s not here for now.
While AASM are far better than PGM (being pretty manoeuvrable and with far better range), I disagree with the statement that the PGM are lazy replacements. Also, with IR PGMs coming in the game, I expect the RMV to get them and that would significantly boost their usefulness (actually according to Smin RMV will only use IR so there’s that : Panavia Tornado (UK versions) - Technical data and discussion - #4710). Being able to fire them at 20km, with their booster turning off at about 5-10km from the target would make them much harder to locate and destroy for a SPAA, especially if they get the loft that PGMs are apparently lacking. I already do it to great effect with only Point mode at those distances on the regular PGM (but only at stationary targets)
Well, do you expect MICA IR to come already ? I would love to have a RMV with MICA IR. But as it stands, I think it would be too unbalanced to have such weaponries in the game. So, for now, the plane will use Magic 2, but I personally expect that MICA IR might be added by the June update, and that the RMV would benefit from it when they are added.
They needed an improvement of the 2000-5F significant enough to tell it appart from the C-S5*, which was struggling a bit against the more modern aircrafts. The new radar was godsend at the time, but without MICA differentiating the 2 planes, just the new radar could not have warranted the addition of an entirely new plane. Thus they added the ground weaponry.
edit : keep in mind I’m talking about differenciating the C5 and -5F because it was before the 4 magic 2 and HMD buff, which came weeks (or months ?) after -5F introduction
But now that MICA are here, and that the RMV will replace it’s ground pounding usage, I think I might make a report for the removal of non -5F standard weaponry
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When it comes to anything they listenned to all of you guys complainning.
And as much as i know the worst part is that to half of the community is split in between Russian and US Tech tree,…
But yeah go ahead, and tell me in what all the current Mirage in-game matches their direct BR Opponent ?
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Yeah, to be honest despite all of the Gaijin Shenanigans, I’d think French Aircraft player are one of the blessed community for a “Minor Nation”. IMO, Mirage 2000 is one of the most updated aircraft in War Thunder, ranging from the gimped version of Drone Age Update, up until now. And for the thread, it is 3rd most viewed thread in Machinery of War Discussion, and to reduce it only to aircraft discussion, then Mirage 2000 is the most discussed aircraft with only MiG-29 comes closer in second place, and Tornado comes in third place.
My biggest pet peeves in Mirage 2000 is when the -5F version is just basically a carbon copy of the C-S5 during its launch day.
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welp now we know. No AASM for the update. But not outright denied so future will tell
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I think they havent modeled AASM yet.
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What i hate about those answers is that when Smin says “AASM won’t come with the update” Does it mean they will come in another update? That it will come som time after the release of the update? Like i hate the vague answers like that.