Mirage 2000 Thread : Variants, performance, characteristics and sources

[DirectSupport]

@Gunjob

Maybe you’re more likely to be increasingly selective in your launches? When in TWS I’m often looking at other potential targets other than my highlighted target. With Imp’ Baz you’re doing alot of that much earlier in your escalation chain. As you don’t have information like target velocity or heading until you’ve committed to a STT.

Well, I think you partially said it in the first paragraph, could also be that the one missile lauch is receiving more guidance and is not being neglected so to speak

[Gunjob]

Would love to see in game data on the success of launches on platforms with the same missiles. And the same airframe but different radar sets.

[Prof_LOGIC22]

That is my bad, sometimes i forget not everyone has the same binds, this actually reminds me i should switch that keybind for the ACM.

[Gunjob]

No worries mate, yeah I have a Logitech G915 and my whole row of “G” keys on the left are bound to radar functions.

[Prof_LOGIC22]

Mine is like numpad-4, having it in a easier to get to key might make the Mesh easier to play.

[SpectreXXI]

That’s why I think France is no longer considered clown country like before (when Mirage F1 is the only top tier Aircraft the French got) the introduction of Mirage 2000. I guess with the introduction of J-10, maybe the Chinese would get an aircraft that as potent as the Mirage 2000, but I’d also think that J-10 would still suffer from bad playerbase due to how Chinese Player literally can flood an average top tier matchmaking.

@DirectSupport

M2k-5F has the best winrates at top tier, so no need for MICA EM or countermeasures buff /s - Gaijin probably

This is why I don’t think the countermeasure buff would come soon enough. It is still competitive enough for current meta, I think the buff would come when all aircraft get its full FM like Su-27 supermaneuverability.

@DirectSupport

Alao this graph is also why I don’t think Eurofighter or Rafale will come this December, the current European countries that could get Eurofighter and Rafale are the ones doing the “best” besides Germany, due to Gripen and M2K. The rest of the countries are suffering and need a viable competitor to M2K/Gripen (even though I think F-15C/J and F-16C are competitive enough as it is).

My best guess is around summer would be the best time to introduce AESA+PESA Radar-capable Aircraft.

But I don’t think that this winter there wouldn’t be an introduction for early variant of Rafale and Eurofighter, since Gaijin themselves already carried 3 iconic aircraft to be introduced last winter, and what we got is a prototype aircraft. Maybe they would consider Rafale A eventhough Mirage 2000 still meta (just like during the time of Super Mirage 4000).

[DirectSupport]

@SpectreXXI

I think the buff would come when all aircraft get its full FM like Su-27 supermaneuverability.

Su-27 already has it though? Unless you mean later thrust vectoring ones.

@SpectreXXI

But I don’t think that this winter there wouldn’t be an introduction for early variant of Rafale and Eurofighter, since Gaijin themselves already carried 3 iconic aircraft to be introduced last winter, and what we got is a prototype aircraft. Maybe they would consider Rafale A eventhough Mirage 2000 still meta (just like during the time of Super Mirage 4000).

Rafale A couldn’t use any guns or missiles. I wouldn’t be surprised if this December is an F-18s for several countries update.

[Cpt_Bel_V]

the problem isn’t the F-15’s,… but their pilots

[Prof_LOGIC22]

Meshupar pilots had to adapt to playing the worst F-15 in the game, i know its off topic but i find it hard to believe Israel didnt give their PSP’s software updates to let the radar slave with the DASH HMD and be able to use TWS.

[Cpt_Bel_V]

What do you mean,… read the whole discussion bro.

The current Meshupar is having a fair and solid Win rate, which shows that Other F-15 pilots are simply not using those F-15’s in a good way.

[Prof_LOGIC22]

Im not saying its bad, but it is just straight up the worst F-15C missing 2 features that are kinda important at that BR.

[Cpt_Bel_V]

Then explain to me how it is currently the best one looking, statistically wise.

You came in here without reading what the discussion was about?

@SpectreXXI

I stumble upon WT Data Project and I find it quietly surprised to see that Mirage 2000-5F is the most competititve aircraft in its BR Range according to WT Data Project. Eventhough we know that Mirage 2000 still in its gimped form (ahistorical loadout, countermeasure, not accurate FM, etc), it still being one of most competitive aircraft makes me love how the community of this forum always try to make Mirage 2000 futureproof.

That’s what we were talking about,… yet i see the Meshupar looking really good.

Also note that Mirage 2000-5F also missed lot of things

[Prof_LOGIC22]

I know you’re stating its the best statistically, what i am saying is it is missing some features that it theoretically could’ve had, im not saying its a bad jet, im not denying that its statistically the best, im just saying its just in theory the worst F-15 due to the technology it lacks.

[Cpt_Bel_V]

K, then look over Mirage 2000-5F also missing some abilities, the best of it would be MICA-IR missile.

We don’t care of what they miss currently, all we say is about stats disparity due to disparity of Gameplay level.

The F-15 is showing that perfectly.

Mirage 2000-5F also does that.

[SpectreXXI]

From what I read in the Su-27 Forum; Su-27 still perform like a boat due to instructor limitation. This also would bring a question to how the F/A-18 FM would like.

Another guess is probably Gaijin would give Su-27 its full control when the F-18 arrives. So the winter patch would be the patch for “Supermaneuverable” Aircraft.

[IFirekeeper]

Afaik, it comes from poor FM itself + okay-ish instructor.

It’s not as bad as the 29 Instructor wise

[thisconnect你好]

Eh you can just see it in numbers,

F-15J is more accesible (you can see it by number of games), more people ground the tree by it being in game for long time and stuff liek a6m5

There are alternatives to baz m, you can see any sane person would play f-16D, people playing that strugglebus do it because of their own reasons

[Cpt_Bel_V]

@Gunjob

really shows that workload is really impactful on pilot performance

What i might’ve called “adaptating skill to your aircraft”

Many players are One-Trick-Poney and do not adapt,…

“if BnZ works, then BnZ even with the less potent aircraft” - current impersonization of an average WT player.

But yeah, you’re right.

@Gunjob

I’d say the ability to slave radar to the HMD is clearly not as impactful as slaving IR missiles to it. Focusing on STT for AMRAAM launches also appears to net more kills

Due to not over-using the off bore-sight launch, which reduces range of AMRAAM as it need to turn early on.

[Gunjob]

@Cpt_Bel_V

Many players are One-Trick-Poney and do not adapt,…

This is very true of what I call the “ACM-Andy”, with an inability to effectively manage their radars. And will default to ACM only gameplay.

[DirectSupport]

Possible future reports for the Mirage 2000-5F that is left to be made.

• Removal of air to ground loadouts
• Missing ACM mode
• Radar range increase for LPRF and MPRF
• Missing MICA-IR missile (Once Python 4 have been added into the game)
• Missing NCTR feature for RDY radar