Mirage 2000 Thread : Variants, performance, characteristics and sources

F4E at this BR don’t have any PD mode at all. The 7E2 is almost impossible to use in normal condition. The 4E has to almost exlusively rely on gun and IR missile kills. The F1C is a far better aircraft than it.

Mig23M is a joke with 12 countermeasures.

J35XS doesn’t even have RWR.

F5 variants don’t have SARH and a barely working radar.

11.3 with Magic 1 is perfectly fair for the F1 and would make it much better than currently.

as the Mirage F.1’s on that part,… as said earlier:

and you only have 2 of those.

(and no, i still disagree,… go try a Mirage F.C with only Magic-1 and S.530F, and you’ll see trhough painful experience)
Also, F-4 is heavier that F.1, but can largely out-rates the Mirage F.1 in both Climb and turn rates, when loaded full AAM only, or not.

Arcade flight model is now considered fixed.
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I aced with one the other day no problems, fly low and bring only flares. R-23R is still great.

Is it tho?

nothing seems to have changed in the live server, maybe it’s in the dev server ?

Will be fixed once the new update is live.

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when it’s dev server season, don’t expect any non game breaking bugs to be implemented before new update drops, generally. The update will come Tuesday I think so the wait is short

I stumble upon WT Data Project and I find it quietly surprised to see that Mirage 2000-5F is the most competititve aircraft in its BR Range according to WT Data Project. Eventhough we know that Mirage 2000 still in its gimped form (ahistorical loadout, countermeasure, not accurate FM, etc), it still being one of most competitive aircraft makes me love how the community of this forum always try to make Mirage 2000 futureproof.

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There is also a community differences.

Most Mirage 2000 players knows how to adapt and play aircraft accordingly.

Most US and Russian however, they only go into a fight and get shot for no kills done.

So those Data only shows were most newbies are.

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it also shows how the worst F-15 has the best kill stats of them all…

it really just shows the difference in player skill across the tech trees

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M2k-5F has the best winrates at top tier, so no need for MICA EM or countermeasures buff /s - Gaijin probably

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Alao this graph is also why I don’t think Eurofighter or Rafale will come this December, the current European countries that could get Eurofighter and Rafale are the ones doing the “best” besides Germany, due to Gripen and M2K. The rest of the countries are suffering and need a viable competitor to M2K/Gripen (even though I think F-15C/J and F-16C are competitive enough as it is).

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The Imp’ Baz is really interesting to me, functionally its a less complex to operate F-15C. So if you compare it to another minor nation like Japan. The F-15J(M) has TWS and the ability to multi-launch AMRAAM, as well as a very good IR missile in the form of AAM-3.

Yet the more simple Imp’ Baz is winning way more often. I know correlation isn’t causation but the least complex to operate F-15C performing the best really shows that workload is really impactful on pilot performance.

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I think it may be that overall you see more experienced players playing Israel and American players are well… American players. More skill = more reward i guess.

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I can’t think of how multi-launch TWS would be any harder to operate than the single launch currently of the Baz. Perhaps people are just more likely to grind Israel as a second nation than first for example.

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Gunjob was referencing the Japanese F-15J though, which is considered a minor nation.

Yeah, if anything the Mesh is harder due to also lacking radar slaving HMD so if you want to shoot somewhat off bore you have to change your ACM scan position.

But F-15J(M) vs Imp’ Baz, both minor nations. I’d say the ability to slave radar to the HMD is clearly not as impactful as slaving IR missiles to it. Focusing on STT for AMRAAM launches also appears to net more kills.

You say this but I use the different ACM patterns with Tornado with very limited impact on workload. I can also keep using mouse aim for flying as well. So if anything I’m only concerned with my planes attitude and course without a HMD for radar slaving. Were as in contrast with Gripen as I’m using the mouse aim for both and as a result the flying is less like I’d want it to be, in order to use the HMD.

Maybe you’re more likely to be increasingly selective in your launches? When in TWS I’m often looking at other potential targets other than my highlighted target. With Imp’ Baz you’re doing alot of that much earlier in your escalation chain. As you don’t have information like target velocity or heading until you’ve committed to a STT.

Well, I think you partially said it in the first paragraph, could also be that the one missile lauch is receiving more guidance and is not being neglected so to speak

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