Mirage 2000 Thread : Variants, performance, characteristics and sources

They were mostly cherry picked, yes. If I wanted to collect footage of AIM-9L I could find several instances to make a video where it smoked people properly releasing flares on 0 throttle.

Still denying the truth and refusing the fact that you were wrong on that subject.

Well what can i say, if many people couldnt change your mind despite with countless evidence im not gonna waste my time with you more.

I thank MiG_23M for reporting issues involving Magic 2 that’ll hopefully make the game more interesting to play.
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Also helping to fix the Mirage 2000 FM
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Bro the purpose of those people when doing such videos IS to cherrypick footages on a 5 hours record session to prove a false point or easily generate views. I could make a kill montages where i make bad launch configuration kills and say magic 2 is OP while the people i killed were just unaware or not evading properly.

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Anyway off topic but have someone here seen that a small French event is coming in Azur Lane?
(Just a one post thing to relax the atmosphere)

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First of all no one is denying his serious effort when it comes making bug reports on french aircrafts alongside with other vehicles, in fact i appricate his work on that. But this conversation is not about reporting some stuff.

İ had no problem with you but since you wanted to bring this conversation into skill issue lets talk.

My current performance level on Mirage2000 and in general are better then you, in fact im much better then you when it comes to operating Mirage2000, yet i didnt wanna talk about this because its not worth it but you asked for it.

So next time if you’re gonna talk about skill issue check the person’s service record you’re gonna talk to then check your service record after that.

Okay

My service record is awful in a number of aircraft, I suspect I perform better in some of those aircraft with poor stats than a lot of people who spend their time sweating over random arcade matches though. This isn’t a place for heated discussion and comparing stats though and it adds nothing to the argument to begin with.

Lets’ just avoid insulting each other whenever possible, there is no need for it. Goes for everyone. It’s possible to argue further in DM’s with me if you wish to share evidence for your points on R-73… or we can move to the appropriate threads. We can discuss R-73 and IRCCM in my R-27 thread if you wish.

Regarding the Magic 2 and the Mirage now… do you have any issues with these we can discuss? I’m lost in the sauce right now, I feel you haven’t really asserted any relevant points or arguments to this specific topic.

The thing is his so called cherrypick video was about deuling against his friend in private room while showing how powerful R73 was.

İ can also make a cherrypick video about anything by Just getting random clips from random air battles but its not the same thing.

İ dont like bringing service record and so called skill issue things cause most of the time its not worth it, thats why i avoided in the first place but @SNITDES asked for it.

As for Magic-2, currently it performs good enough but regardless it deserves its true power just like every single vehicle and armament.

There are many examples wherein the AIM-9L simply ignored flares on targets, someone could put together a compilation of this and say the same thing… and it’s easier done in a 1v1 custom battle setting because there they can reset and try again repeatedly until it does the funny. The same can be said for most IR missiles in the game, sometimes they just do the funny.

Sure i even got killed by Aim9-H in random battles Just because it refused to get decoyed by my flares.

But this wasnt the case for R73 from second dev server, if you are talking about R73 from first dev server tho that is different of course.

Also your video about Aim9-L is from pre nerf time. At those times Aim9-L was quite flare resistant.

At that point in time the FOV was the same as the Magic 2s is currently, is the Magic 2 quite flare resistant? People are saying otherwise.

From my experience i can say its quite resistant to flare from rear aspect, but from side aspects its just like every other all-aspect missile, same goes for R27T except that thing always refuse any countermeasure on its way when its fired from rear aspect.

R27T has horrible flare resistance and is essentially worthless especially compared to the ER. I’ve tried to like the R27T from day one and there’s a reason why no one carries it.
And btw the ER is more than balanced by the fact that the US carries way more SARH than the mig29, with much better IR missiles. Quantity vs quality.

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Just to further my point about missiles with IRCCM, touching briefly on the comment about the R-73 being impossible to flare… others have claimed the TY-90 is impossible to flare… but I found it quite easy to evade these missiles if you do so properly.

The difficulty with evading something launched from an aircraft will be the lack of your ability to remain at proper aspect or to consistently evade multiple missiles. Once the Magic 2 is buffed with its real life IRCCM it will be such a monster and menace to society I am certain everything equipped with it will be reduced to Magic 1 or drastically increased in BR. This includes the Mirage 2000-5F.

Anyhow, people said the R-73 was impossible to flare, this proved to be untrue though I was unable to do my own video on this with the R-73 at the time and now we must wait for it to come to live. The TY-90 by the way has better flare resistance than the R-73 on the account of its’ lower field of view. I suspect the Magic 2 will perform on par with the TY-90 in the future but obviously with more than double the overload.

When R72T was first released it was trash but current one? Not really.

After the changes seeker fov became much better, as soon as you fire that missile seeker fov becomes smaller in fact if i do remember correctly it even smaller then Magic-2’s seeker fov.

İf you didnt test it after the changes its your fault not mine, also your comment about 27ER is wrong.

İt doesnt matter if you have 2 or 4 missiles against an enemy who was worse missile cause if you both engage with each other at the same time 27ER will always win. İf you’re gonna bring they can Just fly low argument i can say you can do exactly same thing.

No one proved R73 from second dev server was flarable buddy and lets not talk about this anymore.

You’ve got it backwards, R27T was strong when it was released, then it was nerfed into oblivion to the point where it can’t ignore flares even rear aspect on a full reheat target. I know that the FOV looks super tight, but for some reason its flare resistance isn’t good. I tried it just 2 days ago.

Yes the R27ER will always win against a Sparrow in a head on, that does make the mig29 the best SARH 1v1 fighter, but ARB isn’t a 1v1. It’s a giant furball where your fighters having 6 good missiles is better than having 2 amazing ones.

(Apparently this message offended someone enough to report it. Hilarious)