@Panther2995 Regarding the Mirage 2000 and it’s ordinance what did you think of this?
TY-90 should have similar seeker performance to Magic 2 once the Magic 2 is fixed. Is this something that deserves to be on 11.7 fighters?
Sidenote: I suspect the testing and addition of MAWS is to assist them in incorporating missiles with IRCCM in the future.
İf these means other helicopters will get their best equipment then sure i will support this.
I was referring to the Magic 2 on the Mirage 2000C-S5
My bad, im kinda sleepy so i got it wrong.
Back to your question, if magic-2 gets fixed surely only Top tier french fighters should carry them as long as compression and mm stays this way.
The thing is,… in game Magic-II doesn’t behave as intended by values we have found in datamining.
The current IRCCM feature of Magic-II is set to be better than most missile in game, while the reality in game is that the missile is worse than most missile in game (comparing it to AIM-9L/Python-3/R-60M and any R-27/24/23 with IR abilities)
In such the current Magic-1 is worse IRCCM wise than R.530E (earlier french IR missile), while the Magic-2 is shortly better than the R.530E.
The current feeling is based on In-game experience, and use of most missiles quoted (mostly R.530E; Magics-I and -II ; AIM-9L)
You are not reading what we are saying.
The Magic 2 in-game is underperforming from how it should in real life, there is no IRCCM in the datamine. The datamine (and in-game testing) still shows it is better than the AIM-9L in flare resistance. This is because the Magic 2 has a lower field of view.
Current test results show… real repeatable advantage in favor of Magic 2 over AIM-9L in flare resistance. The gap should be much larger, Magic 2 should perform on the same level as the TY-90.
Mirage 2000 (All) : Carrying CM seems to no longer prevent brake chute from opening
From data mine for something on topic
That has to be a bug, right?
Seems devs are investigating the missing CMs report now maybe.
No bug at all, the command system for Chute was removed when they installed the new Flare/chaff module.
Chute is now available but only after you’ve used all of your chaffs and flares, otherwise it still says payload blocks the chute (at least in test flight)
What i’m telling you is the opposite, and it’s all i see in game,…
I tell you that in game i have far more trouble having with Magic-II against every opponents than while i’m using AIM-9L.
The problem ain’t the firing solutions, as i tested that myself using both Speed/altitude/distance to target.
the problem ain’t that pilots are more or less good → the target pilot was the same.
The problem is that somehow:
Magic-II resist to 1 flares/2flares while target is afterburning (80% times)
AIM-9L resist up to 5 to 10 flares while target is afterburning (about 90% times)
That’s what i see in-game, in tests, in battle.
Meanwhile, you have to remember that French aircrafts only have 2 of those IR missiles(Magic-II), while anyone have 4 to 6 of theirs (AIM-9L/Python-3/R-60M + R-27variants).
Now i get it that YOU WON’T READ what i’m telling you of my OWN in game experience, YET many people still gives you the finger about YOUR fact of Magic-II being better at Flare resist, which is - TO ME - obviously not.
Do you mind sharing test results? I would like to see how you tested these two missiles.
This is weird.
Countermeasure system physically blocks chute location.
İ dont think Aim-9L does have better flare resistance.
Real problem comes from the range of Magic-2 and its amount. Currently Mirage2k and Yak-141 are the only 2 planes that can carry only 4 missiles, however in return Yak-141 gets much better Fox-1 missiles and probably better İr missiles as well.
this is due to target reacquiring properties of Aim-9L , the same like R60M but better for colder targets
That’s not true, the seeker properties match the AIM-9L with the exception of a higher track rate, lower field of view. The Magic 2 has better countermeasure resistance. The other exceptions are guidance duration, PID changes (affects the wobble as it travels towards target slightly improving wobble as compared to AIM-9L it seems).
The datamined information on magic 2 suggests it should have higher flare resistance, in-game testing will confirm this. The R-60M actually has worse for the same reasons, though it also has shorter lock-on ranges than both of the formerly mentioned missiles.
Just another reminder that the Magic 2 FOV is much higher than it should be still, and lacks IRCCM in-game. It should have seeker performance at least on par with the TY-90.
that is the problem , smaller FOV means once you lost the lock it is harder to reacquire it . FOV is not small enough to make it a real advantage over wider FOV. (remember how small the FOV of the R-27T was in one of the test servers?).
Aim9L is like sand , it is flexible , if it loses lock it can reacquire it as many times as it takes to reach the target, Aim-9L loses lock easily but gets it back again and again and again.
magic 2 loses the lock harder but not by quite a margin , on the other hand it can not reacquire it as easy as 9L does which is the reason people say 9L has better resistance , it is better to be described as having higher reliability .
You can speak of all the voodoo black magic anti-french bias you want, the Magic 2’s are more flare resistant than the 9L’s in-game. Their only real weak point being their range
Magic 2 has the seeker FoV of pre-nerf 9L (2.5°), and we all know the 9L didn’t get better at flare resistance when it was nerfed to 3.6° FoV, so this is just straight up false
