Yes, France often opted against doing certain things because it went against their doctrine to carry more radar vs IR missiles.
France is in western Europe. The biggest threat they could realistically have is a high-flying interceptor. Super 530D was much more important than having 4x Magics which are short ranged IR missiles. It’s the other way around, it would be a massive intelligence issue to do 4x Magics for a country very far away from any threat (Russia,China).
You can see this on the MICA missiles. The MICA IR ended up being a BVR missile because France needed BVR more than a dogfighting missile.
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You guess gajin might plan consider upgrade Mirage 2000-5F from france tech tree 2024-2025 ?
Rafale M LF1, Rafale C F1 and Rafale M F1 dev consider Q4 2024 or Q3 2025 ?
But Rafale F2 gaijin consider after Rafale F1 1 or 2 year ?
Yes. Will constantly be updated and fixed.
No, I think they will skip F1. Just like how they skipped Mirage 2000C-S1/2/3/4.
Maybe not because in fact as Rafale F1 doesn’t have OSF but still can carry MICA EM and Magic 2, that should have been fixed since then, without benefiting advanced features like it’s IRST and Optronic sight so it could be used as a smooth transition from M2K5F to Rafale without giving too much power to it or it will be used before the addition of the first Rafale TT version as an event vehicle.
Because imo if Mirage2000-C first versions were skipped was because they were too little changes bewteen the version whereas From M2K5 to Rafale F1 you’d be getting a PESA radar and then thy’d probably skip F2 standard to straight go for F3 standard with the AESA RBE2 i think
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Rafale C F1 and Rafale M F1 without advanced infrared homing Air-to-Air Missile MICA IR only but gaijin might be skip ?
I guess Mirage 2000C-S1 might be event vehicle rank VIII
CS1 will never be a thing or at least not a rank VIII too poopy for the rank and BR because RDM is cwap.
Only LF.1 and early F.3 lacks OFS, all other Rafale have it.
To be fair, I think Gaijin skipped the Mirage 2000C S1-3 for good reasons; mostly cause of the fact that these would still been stuck with S.530F and less CMs.
S3 would have been a good dogfighter and decent BVR user if they had ever came around to fixing the Super 530F. 530F is supposed to be faster than SuperTEMP and might be next patch. It just needed chaff resistance. And a 50G Magic 1 would have sufficed as well.
If the M2K-5 gets MICA IR and HMS, then there would be little reasons to get the F1 as that would be a downgrade imo. It would have no HMS and no MICA IR.
Why not both? People seem to think there’s no reason for earlier models like C-S3… But why not? Add some variety to the tech tree and give people options to play with. Like F-15 and F-14, neither is particularly better than the other.
I guess they’re worried people won’t grind top tier France if there’s too many grind wall.
Bug report update, there’s still a lot of things left to be fixed on the Mirage 2000 family as well as its weaponry. Currently there are now atleast 29 bug reports open. I made a list of all the reports below:
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Flight model:
Mirage 2000 behaves unlike an aircraft with relaxed stability
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General:
Wrong CM dispenser
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Flares should be alternating between Mirage 2000C and Mirage 2000-5F
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Mirage 2000D-R1 incorrect stock CM number
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Flares should be alternating on Mirage 2000D-R1
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No cannon smoke on the mirage 2000 5F
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Targeting pods should always face up with the horizon.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/sfXyJOA4UzAC
Mirage-2000D-R1 CLDP thermal sight not working
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/gj6wVHdHh14V
RDI radar has incorrect radar model
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Mirage 2000-5F should get helmet-mounted sight
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/SYZINwDVHueM
Mirage 2000C-S5 (and Mirage 2000D, Mirage 2000-5F) is missing the DDM 2000 IR Receiver
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Mirage 2000 family lacks the green afterburner indicator
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Mirage 2000C Incorrect RWR
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Cockpit display does not show correct zoom.
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Cockpit display does not show the correct resolution.
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Radar:
Mirage 2000-5F is missing TWS PD
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/kanI2tRnahwn
RDY radar missing automatic waveform management
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/IfoV6hZdvMKC
Super 530D should be able to be fired in TWS
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/aKCICXVXnBjw
RDY radar has missing air to air and air to ground modes
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/pd31C4x9NFrx
Weaponry:
The Super 530D should have time-to-target readjusted
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/KlRVc90fclX9
Super 530D is missing about 23% in front lock-range.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/ob41Gs5dr7yu
Super 530D should have a more restrictive guidance
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/vL0u1BfCjfJW
Mirage 2000D (and 2000-5F) is missing payload options
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/EPbtgIuUTP26
Magic 2 lacks resistance against countermeasures
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Magic 1 and magic 2 missile should have 50g manoeuvrability
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AS-30 should have SAP-HE warhead
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AS-30L should have LOAL capability
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AS-30 should have a range of 12km
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PGM bombs should not self-explode
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Thanks, that will be included.
Are the RDY scan rate and patterns realistic/verified?
I pretty much only use TWS HDN 120x3 degrees, no way the TWS is that narrow IRL vertically when the entire radar is specifically designed to track multiple targets simultaneously
I’m gonna guess yes for scan rate, as far as patterns and narrow bars probably not.
The RDY document I’m attempting to obtain should document this.
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I noticed that if you lock an enemy plane with the targeting pod it will give you the 3d person cannon hit indicator.
Not sure if this is a bug, but it is helpful for Air RB
In test flight I had radar turned off and a lock with the targeting pod(with or without laser) gives the indicator
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did the mirage 2000d ever have anything more than 2 magics?
No.
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The modernized version can use MICA, if that’s what you’re asking