The above is a typical loss graph
Well technically it is historical as everything the current M2K5F carries has been proven to be possible to carry on models derivated from the 2K5F so from a game perspective the 5F got these because it spares the addition of copy pastes Mirages that’ll take slots in your bar when you could have one aircraft instead. Gaijin relies on the principle of “If a modification of it carried it then the original can too” which isn’t always true but stand logic from a certain perspective. Also 8 missiles loadout won’t then be possible as no Mirage 2000-5F or variant ever flown with 8 missiles afaik.
Well that’s where you are mostly wrong technically a historical 2K5FMk2 would be the one we got in game which is fully multirole from whaat i heard from more informed ppl i might fforget some details too but the A2A focused M2K should be the 5F and Multirole the 5FMk2(Whihc is supposedly the version we have in game but gaijin remained withe the 5F name because it’s cooler than Mirage 2000-5F Mk2, probably)
Also there would be no point in adding another M2K5 because as mentionned above gaijin relies on “If variant can do original can” to limit the copy pasting in game which would make trees horrendous to grind as you’d have to grind multiple times the same plane for just one more weapon or system which is dumb only event vehicles escape this logic(Example : Mirage 2KCS4 and CS5 only difference is addition of SPIRALE chaffs dispensers).
in fact the version we have in game simply does not exist, the closest mirage to what we have is the 2000-9 (export version for the UAE, with multirole capacity, hence the use of PGMs) , the 2000-5f is a variant purely intended for air combat without air-to-ground equipment. I spoke above about the 2000-5 mk2 because it is an improvement with a radar allowing air-sea targeting and firing exocets and whose airframe is a derivative of the 2000-9 (which we we are more or less at stake).
If Gaijin adds the 2000-5 mk2 it would be an opportunity to add the exocets missiles into play and that would be a nice addition
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You could argue that France did test the Mirage 2000-5s before they converted it to Mirage 2000-5F and Mirage 2000-9 for their exports, so arguably we could get Mirage 2000-5F renamed to 2000-5. But yes, you’re correct that the 2000-5F was specifically changed to be only air to air.
Give me a day or two to provide proof. Devs stated 5% for the average channel losses for jets was the standard.
By the way, someone pointed this out to me. Mirage 2000s might get another flight model buff soon. Increased STR at medium-high speeds, which would help with Air RB and fox 3 combat.
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The mirage 2000-5 and the 2000-5f are the same, from what I could find,
The mirage 2000-5 was an improvement of the mirage 2000-C intended for export, however the French government found it interesting and ordered a small quantity while waiting for the Rafales to be delivered (which explains why there are only 27 in the French Air Force), the plane entered service in France under the name 2000-5f (f for French) and then received 3 light avionics and radar updates and a major update which took the aircraft from 2000-5f to 2000-5 mk2.
The mk2 version of the aircraft is supposed to make it “multi-purpose” with the addition of air-sea tracking mode (in fact it is simply the implementation of the avionics and radar of the 2000-9 in the 2000-5). However, I cannot find any source which announces that the plane could carry air-to-ground weapons, and those for all versions of the aircraft (only the Exocet missile would be carried on the 2000-5 mk2)
Mirage 2000-5 | Armée de l’air (defense.gouv.fr)
Dassault Mirage 2000-5 (aviationsmilitaires.net)
Dassault Mirage 2000-5F (aviationsmilitaires.net)
Dassault Mirage 2000-5 Mk 2 (aviationsmilitaires.net)
The Mirage 2000-5 is a single-seat multi-role aircraft. The Mirage 2000-9 is just the UAE version of it. The RDY radar still has air to air, air to ground, and air to sea.
The Mirage 2000-5F is a modification of Mirage 2000-5F which deleted the air to ground ordnance capabilities, but the radar still has air to ground and air to sea modes. France and Taiwan uses this variant. Taiwan’s is called Mirage 2000-5EI, but it is still just a Mirage 2000-5F.
The Mirage 2000-5F Mk2 is a two-seater version of the Mirage 2000-5 with an updated radar called RDY-2 which has 15% greater air to air range, synthetic aperture for better air to ground modes, but the regular RDY radar still maintains all the air to ground and air to sea modes.
I can provide sources for all of the above if you’d like.
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Yep I know that
I already knew that but the question I asked myself concerned the validity of the carriage and the name of the plane, I did not know if the 2000-5 mk2 could carry air ground weapons other than the exocet.
DASSAULT AVIATION MIRAGE 2000-5 MK2 (aviacao-militar.blogspot.com)
(finally I found this site which shows a photo of 2000-5 mk2 which carries GBUs so it can indeed carry air ground equipment)
On the other hand I maintain my first point, the plane that we have in play is more like the 2000-9 than the 2000-5, what we have is a hybrid between the 2000-C and the 2000-9
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What do you think it takes from the 2000C if you don’t mind me asking?
the missiles loadout
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I was talking about the Mirage 2000-5 mk2 in the discussion because during a stream, a French YouTuber connected with Gaijin talked about the addition of a new Super Etendard with Exocets, the 2000-5 mk2 can also carry them so I said to myself that there might be hope, especially since I can imagine Gaijin adding a new plane for the Mica and not putting them on the one we have in play
This is a typical schedule for all supersonic air intakes
i hope arh is more of its own thing so we can have the same aircraft at different battle ratings i dont think they would do anything like that but we will see
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in itself I wouldn’t mind having a new plane to carry the Mica, if the 2000-5f receives them, it will go high in Br, which will leave a hole in the tree
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unless the mirage 4000 gets another drag decrease it is not filling that gap lol
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I once asked a tech-mod why some aircraft had low channel loss (around 5%), whilst others had higher (around 20%, like the F14/F15).
Got this answer:
‘Hi, depending on the aircraft, the thrust value is adjusted to match the flight model on the manuals as close as possible. So some aircraft might have higher or lower channel loss. but as long as the aircrafts’ acceleration/turn performance matches with the manual, the thrust value is acceptable even if it does not match 100% of the aircraft thrust curve.’
So I wouldn’t worry too much about making channel-loss bug reports, they’ll probably just tune drag or something to get the same result/performance
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Even if that’s the case, doesn’t detract from what Gaijin has said and how they decide to model things in-game. And do you mean at all supersonic speed regimes, or including subsonic as well?
I’m not too hyped for the Mirage 2000-5 Mk2 because to my understanding, it lacks a gun. So having MICAs on the current Mirage 2000-5F would be better for dogfighting performance when combined with a gun.
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