Then why does it happen in situations where Magic II flies fast and pulls a lot due to enemy plane movement. The higher G loads are tied to enemy mmaneuvering and AOA being achieved by the missile’s fins. If it would be bug, shouldn’t the Magic II be worse but the performance resembles like if it pulled 37, 41, 47, 45 G and so on…
We can but only hope :)
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Btw, will there any chance that M4K got its drag reduced in the upcoming summer update? I know my opinion only based on guessing, but why is M4K have higher drag than MiG-29? Shouldn’t the Delta Wing configuration makes M4K have less drag at least somewhere lower than MiG-29 but necessarily not lower than F-16C.
Maybe with time, Mirage 2000s were similarly gimped, first rip speed was way lower than now (now: 1512 kph, then: I guess 1365 kph). Also drag was higher, now you can achieve 1500 kph at sea level with 102 % WEP.
Tbf, when the M2K ripspeed was 1365 km/h, its enemies were only like Phantom and Flogger which obviously has lower top speed (Flogger was an exception for it can reach rip speed easily, albeit low rip speed). But in the current meta, there’s no strategic reason to bring M4K instead of M2K-5F except for its Magic 2 Missile Bus and good early acceleration.
It’s just a shame that M4K currently sitting as overtiered F-15 😥
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All Mirages-2000 have an overestimated engine thrust
https://www.forecastinternational.com/archive/disp_pdf.cfm?DACH_RECNO=379
Snecma M-53-P2
It has a bench thrust of 9700 kgf AB and 6500 mil Power
Taking into account losses in the air intake
0,9х9700=8730, 6500х0,9=5870
Why do you assume channel loss of 10% when the general rule as stated by developers is 5%?
Also, I wouldn’t trust statcard. What does WTRTI say?
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wrong
Such rule never was a thing? All engines in game have different channel losses.
I would have pointed out the source (Forecast international) is not very reputable to begin with. The engine thrust is irrelevant anyway as the flight model is fairly accurately modeled to a couple of known sources (the Russian F1 and 2000 book for example). There are some changes to be made in regards to sustained turn rate and climb rate I think but that is about it.
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This is something that devs and Smin have both said in lieu of hard data not being available to model. Hence the 10% being a bit of an absurd place to start from. I know they said this for the Mirage F1, and iirc, they said it for the J-7E as well.
Yeah, I just didn’t want to nitpick about the quality of the source when he didn’t obtain the numbers from WTRTI in the first place atleast. But like you said, they gathered info from the Russian manual and US symposium, and hopefully they can also include the chinese datapoints
Just a quick question here : are those Russian sources, reliable ? I’m speaking for gaijin here, considering they simply refuse Russian sources for ground stuff now… I just don’t really understand their stance on the matter (and am also salty but that’s another story)
It is not the best source available, and was for a Mirage 2000 with a different engine, but it’s one of the few sources available with some datasets. How the Russians obtained it, I’m not sure. But in lieu of better sources that’s what they resorted to. Then they incorporated some data points from a Lockheed document comparing the Mirage 2000 with F-20 and F-16.
There’s now a Taiwanese dataset for sustained rates of the Mirage 2000-5F and we know the Taiwanese use Mirage 2000-5F. The data is very close to what the Lockheed document states. So we may see a report soon on the sustained rates for Mirage 2000s in-game.
Do you guys think there is any chance we could get a 8 missiles load out on the mirage 2000-5F after the introduction of MICA’s ?
As the MICA will be mounted on center wing pylons + 4 under belly, the actual external wing pylons will still be available for magic 2’s.
I know it’s not an historical loadout, but well… The 5F in war thunder is everything except historical already ^^’
It is just wild assumptions based solely on foreign press materials like their F-5E book… which was also used to model the F-5E and why that particular aircraft is heavily overperforming (to the point it is better than the real life F-20A…)… lol.
Anyhow, it doesn’t quite match any newer M2000 charts at all such as the Taiwanese source or Tornado tactics manual source.
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The MICA stores are 1 3 4 6 7 and 9.
Stores 2 and 8 are Magic 2 stores, along with stores 1 and 9.
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I think they may add a new Mirage next update (the 2000-5f mk2 maybe) with only magic 2 and mica (historical load out): it will be a new plane (copy paste) and won’t open a big gap in Br between the 2000-C and the 2000-5f.
And maybe they could add the Exocet to it cause it carry them irl
Taking into account losses of arbitrary magnitude lol