Making Magic 2 have a 0.4 IFOV I guess would make Mirage 4000 less painful. If so, Magic 2 would be pseudo-Igla which is terrifying at its BR.
Kinda off topic, but is the R-73 IFOV already historical? I fear if Magic 2 gets its historical IFOV, the other missile would get too.
R73 IFOV is already historically acurate lol. Magic 2 bests R73 in every aspect except range and TVC.
For some modes I’d agree, but in the case of TWS, it leads to longer update times, and makes it much clunkier to use than e.g. the F-14’s TWS. I’m hoping that will be fixed with the automatic mode switches, but they’ve kept it from the RDI to RDY and still haven’t added TWS all-aspect PD, so we shall see.
Missile launch envelopes would be much more useful.
They show actual missile performance for different of launch cases.
You already do have that and more:
You have explicit explanations of how 50G manuevering occurs for Magic 2
You have explicit chart of what manueverability is available at a certain airspeed (applicable to both Magic 1 and 2)
You have explicit chart of launch envelopes although from the perspective of an enemy target.
Allegedly, and I’m quoting Mig_23M but, Magic 2 has 4 elements while R-73 (atleast the initial variant) has only 2 elements, allowing for the Magic 2 to utilize an even lower IFOV. No clue if later R-73 variants rectified this.
That guy knows almost nothing on European aircraft
Not sure how you could claim that, especially when he helped up fixing a good amout issues with Magics 2 and Mirage 2000’s. as well as other aircrafts.
Well, that’s not exactly the truth is it? Because if so, I’ll have to ask you for a source showing he made such a statement.
For similar IRCCM performance to Magic-2 there is R-73M RDM-2 with improved seeker from 1987, if they buff MAGIC-2 (which they should) they should add R-73M which has around 5KG more fuel for a little improved range and dual band seeker from what we could gather.
and why would they need to add that?
You think gaijin will make the MAGIC-2 a missile with Stinger level IRCCM, 50G missile in AIR RB without adding/adjusting counterparts? Especially considering we are talking about France here? Thats copium
They could finally add the leading ability to 9M/AAM-3 irccm with this as well
I think nobody actualy asked for that. Currently, the Magic 2 is a missile that isn’t as good as R73 and AIM-9M, and it doesn’t retain any advantage except for the acceleration, a fix for it is needed, which doesn’t mean that Magic 2 getting buffed would imply new missile coming however.
R73 have the upper hand at close range, while 9M and AAM-3 have it at long range, however what Magics 2 have currently?
It doesn’t turn as good as an R73, neither it can be used for super close shot, for the arming delay, neither it does have the range the 9M and AAM-3 have.
well as it is right now it is the worst at everything at top tier i would be curious how big of a difference 50gs would make
It would probably lose all speed in half a second since it is conventional turning and the magic burns for so short lol (same as what R-73 currently does as well)
well if it had to pull that hard its a close range shot anyway so that is irrelevant
didnt really say anything crazy but ok
In that case, look for it and bring it up here, Pretty much pointless talking about claims you don’t even have currently.
a saab hater maybe there is some truth but yet he is one of the couple people keeping mirages relevant so definitely not a European hater
If you base your claim on the Gripen “scandal” just know that if there wasn’t a dev in the team that has feelings for the Gripen his sources wouldn’t have been denied and the Gripen would have way more accurate and less OP performances. Because that’s how it is Gripen A/C are equivalent to F16. And whatever you want to tell fefrain from it because this thread is for Mirage 2000 and it’s weapons.