Yeah I agree. I’m not quite sure where this huge argument came from. I feel identically if not a bit more capable in an F-16 having 7Ms instead of 530Ds and 4 9Ls compared to 2 Magic 2s. Even without the IRCCM, the extra missiles give you more room for error, along with debatably more forgiving cannons, radar, and flight performance.
I also agree and feel like there is a lack of outside influence people are forgetting:
It is French, which historically trends of having less players, but those that do are usually are more experienced.
There wasn’t any outrage with just the S5 sitting at 11.7, but now there is a problem when people who haven’t played the Mirages or French tree before are put in in a favorable matchmaker also at 11.7?
The favorable matchmaker; it is an event vehicle that many people received, playing with usually more skilled teammates, at a br where the majority of opponents are newer players in 10.7-11.3 premium jets.
With time, winrates and the matchmaker will normalize. And if they do go up eventually, they probably would still be fine due to the players that continue to play them, just like every other French, Italian, Japanese, etc. vehicle that is overtiered. But it feels like an argument made out of a fringe example and one players experience shouldn’t have such weight in a sweeping change.
Aight guys. The arguments on the mirage 2000Cs vs other at their tiers has taken more than 200 comments in less than 24 hours and is bloating the thread. Why don’t you guys actually go in custom battles to figure things out ? It would be faster and easier than just meaninglessly saying the same arguments over and over again just in a different way. You guys clearly don’t agree and won’t budge without concrete evidence.
In another topic, have you seen that leak that mentioned the addition of a Taiwanese mirage 2000 in the Chinese tech tree ? Any thoughts ?
Gaijin in a recent QnA from one of their Shooting range said explicitly that Fox 3 technology will arrive for everyone at the same time to not give one sided advantage to a fgew nations. MICA EM is way closer than people may think. And i don’t believ it will be nerf ofc the seeker and tracking will be bugged as fuck as it is on SARH but don’t worry i predict it will be the case for every missile.
My current meme goal for this year is to grind out the entire French French tree using the event mirage…
I don’t really care about the grind, I’m just having fun with a plane that absolutely slaps… the only aircraft that are difficult to fight against are F16s and Gripens.
Against everything else… its an easy win.
The majority of what it faces are Gen 3 phantoms and Mig23/mig21s…
Full downtiers are absolutely laughable…
The matchmaker is primarily the sole reason the aircraft was performing so well. Prior to top tier being moved to 12.7, the 2000c s4 and s5 had extremely favourable matchmaking, I was getting 80% win rate with barely any contribution in battles.
Since the BR update my Winrate has tanked a fair bit with the teams being much more balanced, but my k/d has skyrocketed.
I have to agree that it seems to be overperforming slightly and some of the aircraft it faces makes it an extremely unfair fight for them… its an extremely capable aircraft facing much weaker aircraft a lot of the time, but seems to struggle because it cannot impact the game like other aircraft due to the limited armament.
If it had just 2 more missiles it’s a no brainer to increase the BR to 12.0
Also, its only going to perform as it does for a moment. As soon as all the lower performing aircraft get their Aim-120s etc it will offset the win rate.
Also, The M2k S4/S5 are in the zone where they still run into many completely new players running with the premium Mig23/F4S so that exacerbates the issue and appears its OP than it actually is.
Raising its BR will only band aid an issue now, but suffer from permanent ramifications and may render it useless permanently if they both go up in BR.
I have seen people put in on a wishlist for the ‘Fox 3 update’, but I haven’t seen any leak. With other Taiwanese aircraft having AMRAAMs and the PL-12 being mentioned back in the J-8F devblog, I have my doubts on it coming soon compared to other Chinese ARH options. Possibly a event/premium in the future?
It’s still too strong for 11.7 even if it isn’t as strong as youd want to exaggerate. Also performance of mirage isn’t as dependant on lack of skill of premium players compared to f-14 where you require a cooperative target to get a kill.
Well, @Chad_The_Frog said that it was actually a wish list. I did not know. Also, I don’t take any leak list seriously, I just wanted to move the discussion away from the mirage 2000Cs nonsensical br placement
