Except thunderskill uses the same way of taking data therefore you can consider thunderskill also irrelevant
With radar missile force kill capability i meant the 30G maneuverability. In an unfortunate situation that the hostile aircraft can’t notch, they also can’t dodge the 30G missile. aim-7m does not have this capability as 25G can be dodged with reasonable amount of effort.
Therefore aim-7m does not have the forcekill capability that aim-7m has
Your argument that all radar missiles are just as easy to defeat if you notch them ignores the wide variety of situations where you can catch your enemy offguard and force a kill against them by using their mistakes or terrain for you. Not all missiles have this capacity. Stop using the fallacy of oversimplifying that ignores important additional context that shows the difference of capacity between these missiles, it is stupid and invalid as argument.
“takes overall performance” that is taken from individuals which also ignores individual experience with airframe, their skill and their modifications used therefore the data is irrelevant.
For example, the data is screwed up by people who have 0 modifications so the mirage performs shit.
Battle ratings aren’t calcualated for stock aircraft but for spaded aircraft therefore using data that is skewed by stock aircraft to calculate br is invalid
That is the best record you ever had ever is at 68% that is what I am saying. It’s actually a terrible KD and average win rate for a good jet that just came out.
Actually, its not a bad KD. My apologies.
But you are not getting my point bro. Just because that is the best win rate you have achieved in any jet more than a 100 games does not mean it should go up in BR.
Win rate will drop once the hype dies.
Which is a skill issue considering you have RWR and eyes that can see and track enemy planes.
You’re the one who claimed 5G will not change the result and now you’re telling me 5G will actually make a huge difference? Man can you be consistent just for a second please?
Sorry didnt realized you dont have the skill level to notch Sahr missiles, if you cant notch and take proper position against enemy plane and SARH missiles then its basically on you.
Average skill issue problems doesnt mean anything in this regard.
I still haven’t had either of you debunk the mirage’s hardkill capability which is the reason why mirage should be 12.0 not 11.7 Even if the battlerating argument is invalid, the hardkill capability is completely valid and overrules even that.
WIth that logic the R-27ER and aim-7-e2 have same performance. because you can notch both of them.
Because they are not the same performance i’m just going to ignore your dumb argument.
Again, i told you that oversimplifcation bias is not a valid way of arguing because just like that you can argue that something of different performance is same performance.
Nobody said anything about their overall flight performance and kill capabilites except you just brought up that argument.
Safe to say you dont like when someone dumps your stupid argument buddy but go on and ignore my argument cause you have nothing else in your hand in this case.
Except missile perfomance evaluation takes into account all statistics and situations not just notching therefore this proves that your over simplification bias only takes into account the things that confirm your view and ignores everything else. therefore your argument is invalid.
Except BR is based on overall flight performance and kill capability which is why its the correct way to evaluate a vehicle for BR. Ofcourse you 2 dont want to bring it up because it goes against your confirmation bias where you don’t want to view the overall picture where mirage 2000 belongs to 12.0, lmao.
Which is a stronger missile? A missile that can kill someone who makes a mistake, or a missile that can’t kill someone who has made a mistake. You’re pretending like air rb doesn’t consist of skill yet the biggest factor of dying and not dying is skill. Dont try to ignore it. Being able to use someones mistakes against them to force a kill is exactly how air battles work. Its how dogfights work, its how missile fights work. If you can kill someone who isn’t making a mistake, of the same br then your aircraft is overtiered. Which is true for mirage 2000
Can you make real arguments instead of saying “you got a cool jet, stop being correct in an argument”
Im not biased. I will evaluate an aircraft based on the capability, not wether im happy that i got it for free. Go away trying to silence me by trying to make me biased lmao. shame on you.
Except missiles performance only becomes revelant if your enemy doesnt take any defensive positions, in that case both Aim-7M and R27ER will achieve same result.
You like ignoring one of the most important facts about Sarh missiles while claiming your point is the valid one but its normal considering you claimed that survivability doesnt make any difference at high tier.
İts based on flight performance,kill capabilities and survivability.
Compare to Mirage2000 S5 S4 lacks survivability and compare to 5F it lacks both survivability, more firepower(ability to equip 4 Magic-2’s in that case) and HMD (which makes huge difference).
İ dont want to bring that up cause it offers nothing compare to S5 and 5F which both of them are better then S4 in this case but you like to keep ignoring this part cause it doesnt suit your argument does it?
Both missile will kill anyone who mades a mistake, nice lie tho.
Yet you cant kill someone who doesnt make any mistakes in your Mirage2000, nice bs tbh.
Mirage 2000C> 12.0
F-15> 12.7
Gripen/F-16C> 13.0
Base Mig-29/F-16A> 12.3 (these may stay at 12.0 since their IR missiles suck compared to Magic-2, especially R-60)
While i dont think Mirage-2000 is overpowered at 11.7 with it’s limited amount of missiles, i do believe that it has no equal in it’s br or lower.
