Mirage 2000 Thread : Variants, performance, characteristics and sources

Yeah the MM is quite ridiculous at the moment, all I’m seeing is hordes of F-15 and F-16s, meanwhile my team is mostly bots in premium Phantoms, so I’m usually 1v10 3 minutes into the match. It’ very common for the enemy team to have 4xF-15, 4-6 F-16s and some MiG-23s while my team is almost entirely Phantoms. Even though it’s US on both side, the side that has France gets shafted all the time.
I was sitting at 75% winrate in my Mirage 2000 S4, after a 2 hour session today it’s down to 64%.

I’d like to speak to the person who thought leaving F-15 at 12.3 is a good idea.

Well, I don’t really play the 2000C anymore, but I’ve been spading my mirage F1CT a bit (I never did, but now it’s worth it with the better RWR), and the mirage F1 is feeling much better right now. Fighting mig 23s and late phantoms is pretty fine, but against the few f15s, f16s and mig 29s (no more than 3-5 per games on average) I am still struggling a bit. It went from « meh » to « Ok » for me considering what was said just above. Now, it would be even better if at least the f15s could go the fuck out of 12.3. There’s absolutely nothing a MF1 can do anything against them. I can at least make f16 and mig 29 overshoot before fleeing, but I don’t seem to be able to succeed in any defensive flying against a f15.

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You cannot compare statcards, the Mirage F1 would absolutely dump an F-4C in a dogfight

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“LoL”

He is not wrong tho. The F1 is generally much better than most F4s I’d say pretty confidently. It starts having issues against mig23 and better airframes in general, but F4s and mig21s can be deafened quite easily if you play your airframe well

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“If” all is there,…
FM wise, it is not superior → if you bring people to fight your fight then you win / same as if the F-4 bring you in his fight.

The most notable differences is the weapons.
In such, if i see a F-4C i wouldn’t take time to turn with it–> Magic-2 up is face since F-4C have no flares.

And again, i don’t know if there is any differences between C and CT, FM wise, but the aircraft is not a dogfighter and have close to 0-30% chances to win those, on the basis that the ennemy also knows what he’s doing.

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They are half the time wrong any way

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All MiG-23s including the MiG-23M are fully capable of beating up on F-5Es let alone Mirage F1s. I’m hard pressed to believe the Mirage F1 is better than anything including a later Phantom.

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Allegedly according to RideR2’s sheet, the Mirage F1 has better sustained rates at high speeds against F-4E and relatively equal sustain at mid and lower speeds. I’m not sure about instantaneous.

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The F1 is inferior in this domain, and will in most cases lose the first few turns due to this issue. The F-4’s have much better close-in performance at 11.0+ than the Mirage F1s last I checked… the problem is that they will dump speed so aren’t as useful for doing so in air RB. The Mirage F1 isn’t much better, but at least it has magic 2s.

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my 530D’s just don’t pull at all then overshoot the target

My apologies for the somewhat off-topic question, but wouldn’t Magic II receiving AIM-9M and R-73 style IRCCM at the same time be detrimental depending on implementation?

If the seeker head remains with 0.43 degrees FoV while tracking is suspended, wouldn’t that make it vastly easier to escape the seeker and thus defeat the missile? If the seeker FoV grows to pre-launch size while tracking is suspended then there shouldn’t be much of an issue, I suppose.

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They have quite a large minimum range, between 2 and 3km

I find that you must never lead or lag your target either, and always plan for your missile to pretty much boresighted to the target for the first 2 seconds to get a good track.

what was the iraqi mig-23 were doing exactly?

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and why did Iraq my F1-EQ6?

and compare the kills the F1 got compared to Mig-23 . (F1 had some of the only victories against the Tomcats

Tomcats ever lost only 4 aircrafts, all from Iran-Iraq War, and killed 130 ennemies of various type - MiG-21/23 and F.1 EQ

Meanwhile Mirage F.1 got 15 kills overall in the whole Iran-Iraq war → and lost 35 aircrafts in Air-Combat, as well as about 11(not sure) from SPAAG/SAM systems.

I’m not so sure that a 0.43 KD Ratio, would definetly be better than the 32.5 KD one,…

To add more :
iraqi MiG-23’s got 16Kills for 56 Deaths → 0.28 KD
(And yes No F-14 were harmed by MiG-23 directly → the 2 first F-14 being shot down were tasked to kill 2 MiG-23 and got surprised by F.1-EQ)

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did not compare F1 to tomcat , but F1 to mig-23 (and they were mig-23ML so not a bad version)