The Magic 2 is supposed to have seeker shut-off on top of the current FoV reduction, but no missile exists in top tier (air*) with both mechanism at the same time.
Not sure bout magic 2 (I would assume it works similar to 73 seeker) but multi element seekers can differentiate between original heat source and flares, and ignore the new heat source (at least how it works with r-73)
Magic II should also have much tighter Ifov once target is locked. I think same can be said about R-73.
That too applies to a lot of top tier missiles, if not more for some.
what i still can’t quite believe is the amount of massive differences from seekers of both R-73 and Magic-2, that gaijin reportedly given the same number in IRCCM values
for reminder:
Magic-2 Seeker (the AD3633) does use 4 IR cells (working in pairs)
R-73 Seeker only does have 2 IR cells
so, from my understanding, Magic-2 does have a more precise and accurate way to see things while closing on a target, and discriminate IR-CM than actual target.
so Magic-2 should be less sensible to flare than R-73
That’s true, but at the same time, r-73 and most other ir seekerheads are also underperforming (especially pl8b)
Here’s a good post on how the irccm of r73 works (and why irl it’s better than the 9m)
That dev comment is not quite right tho. Multi element seekers such as the r73 or magic 2 are simply not in the same category as imaging infrared which feature hundreds of not thousands of elements on average
That’s definitely true, although I think he was comparing the overall package that r73 gives, not necessarily just the seekerhead
Wow, yet the 9M being used by a certain nation on sea drones praised it’s performance and citing it superior to the R-73 in everyway. IRIS-T, ASRAAM and 9X are IIR missiles…
I have no issues with liking something but these Russians, man they think their outdated tech walks on water.
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Who would ever say the AIM-9M is superior to the R-73 in every way?
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R-73 one party trick is it’s a HOB and yes it is a better HOB than a 9M
Other than that the 9M/Magic 2 beats it in every category.
R-73 has much more range, and arguable better irccm irl. Magic 2 vs 9m irl idk though. Magic 2 vs r73 is odd, r73 better off bore ability and more range but magic 2 is close enough for most engagements with better irccm
I have seen this discussion point with Russia themselves claiming 50km…range for R-73…Just as a point both MICA IR and ASRAAM do not publicly claim a range of 50km
As for superior IRCCM it is debatable, flare rejection for 9M is pretty good as stated by the RAF.
Ukraine have also stated the 9M is better when using it on their Sea Drones.
As for the R-73 being on the levels of the IIR missiles in service is just fanciful.
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MICA IR public figures actually are in this range category tho. I am not sure for ASRAAM official sources but it’s likely around this as well. That aside, I agree with your point. Even from a 15km high altitude launch with the missile gliding to the ground I would not bet for r73 to be capable of achieving this kind of range
I’d be interested if you shared the informations you have on that. I did not know that Ukraine operated 9M on their sea drones. My guess on the performances of the IRCCM of the 9M is that it’s highly capable against non manoeuvring targets (ie long range kamikaze drones, cruise missiles… which some have had flare pods integrated and drop them at regular intervals). I don’t know the usual rules of engagements of the sea drones, but considering its a short range sea launched system with limited radar capabilities, this kind of targets is probably the most common type they engage.
R73 has a 19km launch range when fired at high altitude sub sonic front aspect. Now imagine launch range when its against a Mach 2 plane fired from a Mach 2 plane head on, that would be 30km. It’s really not that unbelievable.
There are claims made by Budanov the Aim9s superiority to the R-73. It was used in that Su-30 shoot down.
However Russian sources claim it was a 9X that was used on the drone…
here is an image of a Magura with 9Ms
Greetings Mirage 2000 community, has anyone got news on the Mirage 2000-5 MFD’s? I think they might be a bit outdated in comparison to other aircraft in-game which currently have a lot more details in their displays, such as the J-10, Su-30SM or JF-17.
Current MFD layout of the Mirage 2000-5 variants.
I recently tested it, and became intrigued as to why it has very few MFD modes compared to what the real Mirage 2000-5 has in reality, has a bug-report been done about these integrations? I’ll add a few pictures below to state my point.
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what would be unbelievable is the R-73’s seeker ability to maintain such lock at such distances.
maybe fixed with the R-73M/R-74, but clearly not for the 1984 variants that we do have in-game right now.
nice pictures, but there is several M2K-5F standards
what are the standard those images you provided come from:
M2K-5F SF1
M2K-5F SF1-C
M2K-5F SF1-IR
M2K-5F Vi
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