Doesn’t anyone here think that the Mirage 2000D-RMV, as a 2023-released aircraft, should have an RWR system capable of identifying the radar signature of the Pantsir-S1?
We all know Gaijin uses time periods as an excuse to nerf NATO’s RWR, but NATO’s RWR systems are programmable, so the RMV model from 2023 should logically be able to detect search warnings from the Pantsir-S1 radar introduced in 2003.
In fact, all the aircraft and air defense vehicles currently in the game entered service earlier than the RMV, which means the RMV should have access to all aircraft radar signals.
I am posting this for no other reason than expressing my love for the Mirage 2000C-S4.
Its my only Mirage so far. I grinded it in the event and have been playing it ever since. Its my best performing aircraft I think as it suits my playstyle pretty much perfectly.
Do you have any RWR data related to RMV that you can provide? It seems like you have more resources, and if possible, could you write some bug reports? As a Mirage player, I really hope to have a better gaming experience. Thank you.
"Honestly, adding the MICA IR to the game would make sense, especially since the planes equipped with it are strike fighters that only carry two. It wouldn’t make them overpowered but would give them a fair shot in mixed battles. Having more threads focused specifically on adding these new IR missiles could streamline these discussions and highlight the unique role each missile plays without derailing other topics. So, I’d argue the MICA IR is a balanced addition that should be considered tbh r27et has range of 9.5km from behind and its been like 2 years sense its been added mica ir is only better at turn 50g>>35g an irccm technology so 2 of them might garneted a 2 kill every time but if you can fire them in first place Beusse fox3 still the metta and these type of missile are coming out anyway in like 5 months so adding them now can make us pepper them for the acutel fighters that carry them :)
I don’t know what your source is for this but the 2000D RMV is the only ground attack aircraft equipped with it, all other aircraft that carry it are aircraft with air combat or air superiority roles (2000-5F and Rafale) and can be carried on the same pylons as the EM, so up to 6.
I think that adding the Mica is not yet on the agenda because it implies adding IR missiles of the same generation/capacity in the game. I’m talking about the Aim-9X, ASRAAM, IRIS-T, PL-10, Python-5, R-73M, … And frankly, I would prefer that these missiles do not arrive in the game yet, especially when we see the compretion of the Br.
Moreover, I do not think that these missiles are a good thing for attack aircraft (for example the 2000D RMV or the Tornado), indeed, adding these missiles to them would only make them go up in Br, making them much less fun to play. To be honest, I have no desire to play the 2000D RMV in 13.3 or 13.7 just because it has 2 very good air-to-air missiles.
yeah i mis type here i meant that m2k rmv is the only strike aircraft in game rn that can carry only 2 and we don’t have high tier plane that can have them next gen ir missile other then tornado and RMV mabye a10c but that plane is no going to like being 13,0 for 4 aim9x and 2 of them and it would be the same way the add 2 r73 to su25 at 11.3 way back then to do it right now and to test how they would perform and 2 of then even if they are op are not going to break the game
I think you’re overlooking the capability of these missiles a bit, the R73s that are currently in the game (on the lower Br because it is on board the Su25) are pretty easy to avoid because their launch platform is pretty slow so the missiles can’t reach their full potential, for planes like the 2000D and the Tornado, the missiles will be able to reach their full range and will be really powerful, Furthermore, we must not forget that these missiles have IRCCMs which are starting to be surprising, making them practically impossible to dodge. I don’t see how the addition of these missiles wouldn’t mean the important increase in Br of the planes that carry them.
The only way (in my opinion) for the addition of the Mica IR currently would be to remove or reduce a good part of its capabilities:
Removal of the LOAL
Reduction of its firing envelope (in connection with the LOAL)
Removal of guidance via DataLink for long distance firing
Reduction of the effectiveness of the IRCCM
Limitation of the range
And if there was really a need for a more capable air-to-air missile for the 2000D today, the easiest solution would be to have a realistic Magic II
Youre completely ignoring that the irccm of the r27et makes it barely more effective than a regular all aspect missiles specially at 9km, also the r27et does not have a trust vectoring so it quite comical that you try to claim that it would be balanced when you are asking for a missiles with better maneuverability than the r73 with the range of the r27et and with a better irccm than the two of them… yes it is balanced…
For those who are interested, here is a table grouping the different weapons usable by the Mirage 2000D RMV, if ever there are some things missing, let me know so I can update it
And an F-15E can easily kinematically defeat them, or just snipe the Mirage using the 4 Aim120s underslung and then go and bomb the bases. the new longer range IR missiles like ASRAAM and MICA will not perform like in the real world, look at the magic 2.
On this topic, just want to mention that not all TV/IR FnF missile can switch from point to track. For exemple the current live PGM cannot switch, while the AGM65 and the Russian equivalent whose name I forgot can.
All in all I agree with AASM being OP, but with the way the dev is going, and British reports, the PGM might actually out range the AASM itself soonish, with up to 100km or range as I’ve heard
Still that wouldnt make the missile balanced as ir missiles does not suffers the disadvantages of the fox 3, the missiles would be completely broken and will outperfom any current ir missile by a long shot, the magic 2 at 12.7 is more than enough specially when the missiles still have room to grow, so unless it has a shitty irccm like on the r27et it wouldnt be balanced,
This kind of stuff definitely is outside of the public knowledge. We can only assume that if nothing about it is mentioned, then the RWR is the same as the other D variants, which is I believe the same as the 5F. As mentioned above, those RWR are numeric so they can be reprogrammed to add new threats to its data base
The « issue » is that as of now, the RWR of the RMV is the same as the other mirages, so they would need to buff them all. But I agree that this nerf is quite non sensical since the data base is upgradable.
The mirage 2000-5F and RMV, but also the D-R1 have all flown far after the Pantsir entered service (with the -5F and RMV still flying today) so it makes no sense they can’t identify it
Huh, I wonder what makes them different, since I was sure the PGM could as well.
Either way though, the PGM being buffed would just end up sticking it in the same category of (problematic) “standoff weapons”. By all metrics, its just poor game design to allow aircrafts to have weapons for which ground players have literally no way of fighting.
I feel like thats the sticking point some people dont understand about my stance. My issue isnt with the AASM itself, or in the russian threads, the Kh-38M’s, its with standoff weapons in GFRB as a whole. I dont mind these weapons being in-game, but them being used against players directly is only fun for the player launching them. If you want that kind of experience, doing so vs AI targets is effectively the same, except you arent ruining other players’ gameplay experience.
Everyone seems to want these weapons for their own nation but take offense to the idea of other nations having similar classes of weapons. Its a massive double standard imo.
