that is another (70$) topic , for some reason F-1C 200 goes super cruise lol
The issue seems to be that they perform according to the schedules in 45° sweep but in-game they have a pretty big increase in STR as wings go forward.
I can test later today I think, I’ll post results in the MiG-23 thread and link it here if necessary. I’ve got an MF and ML manual.
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So can the lightning, even at sea level with two missiles. That’s the quirk of turbojets
The Lightning could super-cruise in real life though. As far as I know the Mirage F1 could not?
Worth looking into for a report, I’m not sure it’s really necessary though as the Mirage F1 already performs so poorly… may the community take pity on its plight.
these graphs seem like a pretty off estimation, the STR especially for the Mirage 2000 wouldnt just be a flat line (the same) at all speeds like that
I’m not an expert but I wouldn’t be surprised if it could a bit, maybe not as easily as in game. I think one of the main reasons of supercruising being considered such an astounding feature today is because turbofan engines couldn’t achieve it as easily as turbojets. Anyway, I’d be happy to know if it’s realistic for the MF1
It could, if it follows the trim curve as it is a relaxed stability aircraft. Higher speed moves lift center rearward and as stability increases it requires positive trim like a stable aircraft to maintain level flight… Incurring less favorable lift to drag as speed and thrust increases.
This is just my assumption / guesswork though. I’d need better materials to evaluate further.
Seems only the Soviet aircraft are estimation. Could be the Mirage hits an FBW limit and while aerodynamically it could do more the software is limiting pilot input.
On low fuel the MLA can hit 22-24 °/s.
STR still wouldnt be the exact same at all speeds, the aircraft would remain similar but not exactly the same
I think its just a wrong graph, STR given there is barely better than the true tested 13 deg/s at 50% fuel with 2 SRAAMs at 15kft, STR would ofc be much worse at 15kft than at sea level. (which actually coincides with the Fighter Weapon Symposium graph pretty well so maybe thats not far off)
STR from this graph goes beyond mach 1, they appear to look the same as the Tornado manual comparison in terms of curve. It’s possible the Tornado manual is discussing an earlier model with worse engine as well.
Hard to say since the symposium says incorrect thrust values (somewhere between early M2K and M53-P2 model thrust values)… Who knows how accurate the symposium is.
yeah symposium is also off by about 1 degree per second performance wise
Curve is more steep in the fighter symposium the Tornado manual is literally a flat line, and while it could be an earlier Mirage 2000 I doubt turnrate would have degraded so much and the fact remains the graph’s line is far too flat
I don’t think it being flat is a red flag.
Hello,
None of this is 100% confirmed, but we know the following;
Overload increase to 50G.
Guidance delay reduced to 0.2s or less (likely 0.15, similar to R-73).
Proximity fuse activation time reduced to 1.2s or less.
Seeker lock-on range increased slightly.
IRCCM improved (reduced gateWidth FoV, as well as the same flare decoy rejection as AIM-9M).
Currently FoV is same as R-73 (0.75 degrees). Should be reduced to ~0.46 if I recall.
Not to mention currently it only does 35G at approximately 2 mach missile speed, it should be able to do the full 50G at just 1.25 mach (off the rail if flying at 1.25 mach ASL).
I might be missing a few more things, but I think that’s all we can “prove” for now. Investigating burn time further at the moment.
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Is there a source to supporto the 50G claim
The same source as these reports;
Although I did not do these reports. I only did the IRCCM reports, and my sources are attached;
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/98dDhpdb6mJt
The magic 2 incorporated new sensors and guidance system that allows the missile not only to stabilize itself in roll, but to do so in relation to target vector. This allows it to maintain the combined plane angle to maneuver towards target at all times.
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I think your original report also mentioned the missile being able to track against the sun.