Personally the only thing that i had troubles dogfighting with the 2kf5 is the f16s, the m29 can be easily outurned specially the smt
F-16 is overperforming so the gap should be a lot closer.
have their been any reports made about it overperforming because the way f16s are flying in game their wings would be bent like hell
Yes, Gaijin has acknowledged the issue but doesn’t want to fix it. They think properly modeling the instability would brick mouse aim… and refuse to fix the excessive AoA or stability.
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The core problem with Warthunder’s control is that to make the game simpler to play, the players are babysits when using the mouse control. That means that the planes will only fly in their flight enveloped to the best of their abilities. By definition, it does exactly what a FBW should do, so the advantages of FBW of the Mirage 2000 is negated. Then, Delta wings in general are vastly underperforming compared to swept wings as they have most of the disadvantages (High bleed speed), not not really the advantages (AOA is more limited on Delta wings than swept wings). That’s why things like the M23 and F16 are so vastly over performing when facing things like the M2K or Mig29.
At least that’s my personal opinion.
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That is true, but the rates the MLA displays for a plane of that T/W is frankly insane.
that is another (70$) topic , for some reason F-1C 200 goes super cruise lol
The issue seems to be that they perform according to the schedules in 45° sweep but in-game they have a pretty big increase in STR as wings go forward.
I can test later today I think, I’ll post results in the MiG-23 thread and link it here if necessary. I’ve got an MF and ML manual.
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So can the lightning, even at sea level with two missiles. That’s the quirk of turbojets
The Lightning could super-cruise in real life though. As far as I know the Mirage F1 could not?
Worth looking into for a report, I’m not sure it’s really necessary though as the Mirage F1 already performs so poorly… may the community take pity on its plight.
these graphs seem like a pretty off estimation, the STR especially for the Mirage 2000 wouldnt just be a flat line (the same) at all speeds like that
I’m not an expert but I wouldn’t be surprised if it could a bit, maybe not as easily as in game. I think one of the main reasons of supercruising being considered such an astounding feature today is because turbofan engines couldn’t achieve it as easily as turbojets. Anyway, I’d be happy to know if it’s realistic for the MF1
It could, if it follows the trim curve as it is a relaxed stability aircraft. Higher speed moves lift center rearward and as stability increases it requires positive trim like a stable aircraft to maintain level flight… Incurring less favorable lift to drag as speed and thrust increases.
This is just my assumption / guesswork though. I’d need better materials to evaluate further.
Seems only the Soviet aircraft are estimation. Could be the Mirage hits an FBW limit and while aerodynamically it could do more the software is limiting pilot input.
On low fuel the MLA can hit 22-24 °/s.
STR still wouldnt be the exact same at all speeds, the aircraft would remain similar but not exactly the same
I think its just a wrong graph, STR given there is barely better than the true tested 13 deg/s at 50% fuel with 2 SRAAMs at 15kft, STR would ofc be much worse at 15kft than at sea level. (which actually coincides with the Fighter Weapon Symposium graph pretty well so maybe thats not far off)
STR from this graph goes beyond mach 1, they appear to look the same as the Tornado manual comparison in terms of curve. It’s possible the Tornado manual is discussing an earlier model with worse engine as well.
Hard to say since the symposium says incorrect thrust values (somewhere between early M2K and M53-P2 model thrust values)… Who knows how accurate the symposium is.
yeah symposium is also off by about 1 degree per second performance wise
Curve is more steep in the fighter symposium the Tornado manual is literally a flat line, and while it could be an earlier Mirage 2000 I doubt turnrate would have degraded so much and the fact remains the graph’s line is far too flat