Launches above 20km also matter.
We were talking about F-18C that could be rather threatened by a F-5 with AIM-120.
I was angling to take the whole Br range M2K-5 finds itself in into consideration.
And since it is struggling there placing it at 13.7 is the topic at hand.
M2K-5 is not broken 13.7 or even 13.3.
Are you insane?
You said it faces only AIM-120C which is why i mentioned the uptiers.
I did specify vehicles at its br?
Meaning 14.0
Not 14.3
Not 14.7
No but I enjoyed MiG-29SMT and Kfir C.10 just like i did M2K-5. There are also the premium Flankers which are still 13.3.
Regarding downtiers not Br placement mind.
Exactly. That is why I included 14.3 and 14.7.
And to take that edge off 13.7 could be an option.
I mean the kfir only positive feature is the radar
Everything else is pretty much ok or mid for the br depending on what we compare it to
It’s pretty good at its BR but is generally rinced at above its BR.
I definitely still would play it over way the Mirage 4000 which is also 13.0
sure but the other dude either stays at range and cant threaten you, or he has to come close to you to secure kill.
if he keeps spamming his missiles at range but never closing in he will eventually run out of missiles and will have to RTB, loosing any positioning he gained beforehand.
if he comes closer, it is entirely possible to close the distance and start engaging him at the furthest boundary of MICA effective range.
yeah because people learned not to come closer.
i dont think theres 12.3 plane you could fly and beat M2K-5 piloted by someone competent with.
how does enjoying two planes at 13.3 translate to arguing for entirely different plane to go down to 13.3?
and really should be 13.7.
It’s 13.3
Ah I see. It used to be 13.0 until somewhat recently no ?
Still is, Gaijin is not so far gone that it sits two steps above the F-15A.
went up ages ago, around same time as IRIAF to 13.7 or before
Tbf i dont think it fits at 13.0 since now the 530D are no match against aim 7m anymore
Even before it was nonesensical.
You misunderstand. While going close one of those missiles is very likely to hit if you force the MICA slinger on the defensive.
I was talking about the matchmaker not the Br placement.
M2K-5 would be fine at 13.7 if it was placed there but facing in a 13.7 or 13.3 match is not a problem.
M2K-5 being the same BR as the F-16AMs, F-2A, IRIAF and Gripen Cs would be a joke lol.
Will it? It doesnt matter if ARH missile is launched at 30 or at 10 or even 5km, as long as the target stays in the notch, none of them will hit.
Attacking plane either needs to force the target out of the notch somehow, or get close enough to use IR, but by that time target will enter effective range of MICA.
Then that was extremely weirdly worded. Nothing would change for current 13.3s, they can see M2K-5 already.
But these arent the issue are they? Issue are 12.7s which are all SARH carriers (not counting F-14A for now) which would now be able to see MICA.
There isnt single 12.7 that deserves facing MICA.
So everbody stays in the notch and no one dies?
Distance, angles and closere will be changing and the defender will get hit if he doesn’t manage to turn the tables.
Exactly the only problem would be 12.7.
And for a 12.7 it doesn’t matter to much wether it’s AIM-120, R-77, MICA or even Derby.
I don’t think so.
The end up in the same matchmaker anyway but Mirage get’s more top tier matches.