Mirage 2000-5F at BR 14.0: Is its current placement still appropriate?

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Hello everyone,

(First of all, I want to clarify that this discussion is not a complaint about the Mirage 2000-5F, which I still consider to be an excellent aircraft. I simply want to gather your opinions regarding its current Battle Rating.)

I would like to start a discussion about the current Battle Rating placement of the Mirage 2000-5F.

This aircraft remains a very capable fighter, especially in close-range combat thanks to its excellent flight performance, Helmet-Mounted Display (HMD), and MICA missiles. However, with the recent introduction of more modern aircraft featuring more powerful radars, higher missile capacity, and better BVR capabilities, I wonder if a BR of 14.0 still accurately represents the overall capabilities of this aircraft.

The main question is not whether the MICA is a weak or ineffective missile. The MICA is an extremely capable missile (this should not be denied), but it is also important to consider the entire platform carrying it.

Compared to some current aircraft at BR 14.0 and above, the Mirage 2000-5F has:

  • a more limited missile loadout,
  • weaker BVR capabilities,
  • a radar that is less effective compared to the newest platforms,
  • less endurance and flexibility during long-range engagements.

At the same time, it remains an extremely dangerous aircraft in close-range combat when properly mastered. Lowering its BR too much could therefore create balance issues as well.

The question is therefore the following:

Would a BR of 13.7 better represent the overall capabilities of the Mirage 2000-5F, or do you think the current BR of 14.0 is still justified because of the MICA performance and the aircraft’s overall strengths?

I would like to hear the opinions of players who use the Mirage 2000-5F, but also those who regularly fight against it.

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Yes.

It has a 2+6 loadout with MICA EMs

Statshark stats place both the French and Chinese versions as the strongest 14.0s but a wide margin currently.

If anything their performance would almost dictate a BR increase, but I would rather see AMRAAM buffed I think, would probably be the better change.

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Thank you for your reply.

I’ve already pointed out in my message that the MICA is a very powerful missile, so I’m not questioning that.

What I’m wondering is whether the BR should be based primarily on the missile, as Gaijin often seems to do, or on the aircraft as a whole.

For example, shouldn’t factors such as radar, BVR performance, range and the aircraft’s overall capabilities carry just as much weight in determining its BR?

I’m genuinely curious to know which factors would be most important to take into account.

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I would argue it’s the best 14.0 lol

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a br increase would make it worse considering how bad the radar is at 14.0
the f18c late performs better compared to the mirage 2k 5f
more fox 3 comparable fm and a better radar

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So why is the Mirage 5Fs performing waaaaay better than the F-18s currently?

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Can you provide an argument, please? The Mirage 2000-5F regularly faces opponents superior to itself—specifically at BR 14.0, though encountering them is quite rare; that is the reason for this discussion. So, if you don’t have an argument, please refrain from commenting.

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The platform is not bad. Are there better radars, sure, but its a usable radar, especially when coupled with HMD and MICAs, you dont even need a good radar, just point and shoot with HMD.

The FM is fine, it can hold its own in most dogfights.

It doesnt have a weak RWR iirc

its CM count is fine.

There is nothing bad about the platform, if the MICA were replaced with AMRAAM, it would still be a decent 13.7.

But with just how strong the MICA EMs are… 14.0 makes sense

Sure it cant engage in long range BVR duals, but… given WVR performance is pretty much always king in War Thunder at the moment… Its just not that big of a deal.