what USSR aircraft has to do with millions of USD? Drawing parallels between 2 different countries, their aircraft development and testing is incredibly short-sighted.
change it to Ruble as you will, it the same thing. It common practice to build aircraft so that their ultimate limit is higher than operational limit.
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Common practice is different for every country, you can’t say that MiG-25 is overbuilt to the exact same level as F-4 or F-35 or whatever other aircraft you can bring from your memory. This is why this comparison has very little sense
Would be about damn time, but unfortunately Gaijin probably considers it a super special jet that can’t be added in an update that isn’t the December one.
I have hopes that it randomly appears in the teaser too, but that’s like high amounts of copium on my end.
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Tbh september, november or december, I don’t really mind considering how fast time passes
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I’ll barely be able to touch the game from next monday until mid december so…
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Well, do you have any absolute evidence to show that Mig-25 were over built to greater extend compared to F-4, F-14, F-15, F-35 …etc?. If your evidence is only that one Mig-25 in one singular case didn’t break into 1000 piece after 11G pull then F-4 once survive 12G pull too. F-35 even took a direct hit from a SAM and survive.
Again, pilot got luck once should not be treated as common occurrence
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Do you have any evidence of the opposite?
The burden of proof rests on the one who asserts, not on the one who denies. Otherwise, I can just make up random stuff and demand people to prove that it wrong.
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it was you who got here and said that MiG-25 is not different from any other aircraft, so prove it.
When will MiG-31 get the R77M pylons I wonder?
I honestly wonder if it even need R-77M to begin with… (plus I doubt there is enough frames and desire to conduct another deep modernization, because Im damn sure nobody gonna put money for only pylons without some additional stuff, which is… dubious for the aircraft like MiG-31 to begin with)
I don’t think you understand how the burden of proof works. The person making a positive claim has to support it; no one is required to prove a negative. You claimed that the MiG-25 is way overbuilt compared to the F-4, F-35, F-15, or any other U.S. fighters. That means you need to prove it. I don’t have to prove that it isn’t.By the same logic, if I say “I’m a god” the burden is on me to demonstrate it. You don’t have to prove that I’m not.
With that being said, I already show you that Mig-25 is not the only aircraft where ultimate limit is greater than operational limit
then please do as you say
Well take F-4 for example: typically a 7G aircraft. Yet have pulled 12G+ in combat
https://www.iiaf.net/f4/?
Or take F-14 as example: manual stated limit around 6.5G, yet Hoser made a 12.2G defensive pull against Hawk during the ACEVAL/AIMVAL. The airframe was not even written off after that unlike the Mig-25 that made 11G turn
Sorry - are you arguing that the MiG-25 IS or IS NOT capable of exceeding it’s load-limit?
For a fighter it has a low safety load (in G terms) because it was not designed to be thrown around the sky like a Fokker Triplane… if you think otherwise then you probably need to read a bit more. Physics might be a good start.
I argue that Mig-25 (just like most fighters) are build to excess its safety limit in the flight manual. And that is not something unique only to Mig-25. I gave example of F-14, F-4 to show that. That also why gajin use set the ultimate load limit higher than flight manual value
However, I also stated that “one in a millions chance situation should not be treated as common occurrance”. Pilot get lucky once doesn’t mean they are always lucky. And the case where “Mig-25 at unknown weight pulled 11g for an unknown amount of time, still didn’t break up immediately and only need to written off after it land” should be treated the same as the case “where F-35 took direct hit from a SAM, didn’t explode immediately and still managed to fly back to base”. In other words,the ultimate limit is not at 11g. It basically just pilot luck. I’m satisfy with how Gajin currently model it
this thread is about the Mig-25/31 and not the F-4 or F-14
i suggest you to stop comparing apples to ornages and actually bring sources on the Mig-25
Well, I’m not the one who say “Mig-25 is way over built compared to other aircraft” and I’m also not the one who demand that its ultimate G limit be put at 11G. I made no positive statement, so I don’t have to prove anything
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you might as well have because 11Gs were mentioned nowhere, but from you
You can literally use Ctrl + F to see when the 11G were first mentioned