The report is still open. They requested the full document from the author, but he did not provide it. the rest of these reports are being closed, as they are duplicates of an existing report, but the original report still hung on the request to provide a document.
in general, it turned out to be a recursion))
Support service in the best traditions of Yandex.
For some reason the owners of some MiG-23 documents are being very stingy about uploading them. To include the ML manual with the MLD appendix.
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Is there a big difference between the MiG-23ML and MLA? Not in game, since I think the game ML is an ML(A), but IRL
There are a large number of modernizations and improvements over the earlier variant.
-Improved radar
-Improved gunsight
Later models also saw some improvements only seen in the MLD minus the aerodynamic changes and the flight control system.
Does the MLA and MLD have differences? Both in real life and in game? Are they differences that matter much?
The main differences are 23-18 from 23-12A, in reality.
- Radar H008 (including radar modes)…
2.SPO-15LM…
3.Aerodynamic improvements of the airframe…
4.Interference emission blocks-BVP-50 and PKVP pylon.
5.33 degree wing with automatic slats…
6.R-73 missiles…
7.Helmet-mounted target designation system…
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Here is my collection of documents on MiG-23. Here is everything I could get (except for the Polish instructions, I’m working on it now, as soon as I finish digitizing, I’ll upload it here).
I have already posted this on the *ru forum.
These are great, but none of them include the MLD (23-18) performance data.
You are missing these at least
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The MiG-23M/MF is supposed to have the dual purpose PKWP-23 pylon for flares and an external fuel tank, but in game taking a fuel tank removes the flares (and by proxy, I think it changes the pylon). Even though the PKWP-23 could be used for both, as I understand it.
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MLD is only MiG-23 that should have flares. Others shouldn’t have anything at all. About using flare pod + fuel tank at same time gaijin already answered that this can’t be currently done technically in game.
“Even MiG-23UB carried” isn’t an argument. That doesn’t says other carried. Small amount of UBs were used for strike control in Afghanistan, so they were equiped with flares pods and probably it was field mod, not factory one.
And what Indian MiG-23BN is supposed to do with in game MiGs?
The precedent is that if an aircraft (not even of the exaxt same modification) has been equipped with CMs in some form of service, and is at a BR where CMs are necessary, then it will receive them in game.
It is, if the UB could be equipped that means it would work on every ML variant.
In fact, MLA (MLD exports?) had been equipped with the shoulder flares as well. At least, an iteration of them.
If it was equipped - it is something that can be used on any other nations aircraft. Gaijin has set the rules very loosely.
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A good number of syrian 23s got dispensers added to them as well, both the normal shoulder pylon dispensers as well as modified mi24 dispensers as well.
Iraqi 23MLs were fitted with the top mounted dispensers as well but its a different modification than what either the Syirans or Russians did afaik
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I don’t care about game rules, I just said how it should be if WT was proper in historical aspect game. Gaijin can do whatever they want. Historicy in WT was ruined very long time ago and they only trash it more and more.
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Iraqi(?) MLA with ASO-2
Actually looking into it Iraqi MLA was kinda interesting since they not only jerry righed CM dispensers onto them they also put SPO-15 and Remora on some as well.
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I’m curious, would it hurt to equip the MiG-23BN with the PKWP-23 flare/chaff pylon? Should it get them, or another flare/chaff dispenser?
I’m personally of the opinion that if they ever decide to add semi-historical R-3S/R-13M1 to the MiG-23BN, and it is consequently moved up in BR, the chaff/flares might be useful, chaff especially for countering radar guided missiles/SAMs.
But regardless even a few flares from the PKWP-23 dispenser would be nice because I don’t think the MiG-23BN, or any MiG-23 for that matter, could carry the underfuselage SPS-141 (need to double check that). Another thing I saw was that it could possibly mount a KDS-23 dispenser on the wing shoulders, but have found no proof of that so far. But that one specifically could also help the standard MiG-23M/MF. There is this post talking about statements of Czech MiG-23BN pilots regarding both countermeasures and AAMs, but no sources so I can’t really glean anything from it. There is also a post on the DCS Forums mentioning Iraqi MiG-23s with ASO-2 dispensers, and this post on CombatAce with pictures (although I can’t see the dispensers) of an Iraqi MiG-23BN. Another post on Key Aero where a former German MiG-23BN pilot mentions that “[their] BN’s were unable to launch infra-red decoys against anti-aircraft missiles,” which I think is why Gaijin has been (in the past) reluctant to add countermeasures. That being said, they have bent the rules on stuff before, and this one seems a lot less egregious than some others. Another thing is that the National Defense University of Ukraine says the MiG-23BN can equip P-3S (R-3S) missiles, maybe there was a limited use modernization for some Ukrainian MiG-23BNs that wasn’t used anywhere else.
In general, I think that flares/chaff for this plane, even if limited in quantity, could still be useful. As for the missiles, ideally I’d want it to use the R-3S/R-13M1, but given that it is not supposed to (with no proof otherwise so far), it would be up to the developers. Giving it the R-3S/R-13M1 would probably make it 10.3/10.7 level, leaving it at just the R-3S is probably like 10.0. It would be a decent buff to a plane that, while not really needing it, would make it more viable in things like air RB or sim.