R-3S or R-13M at most.
That’s blatantly inaccurate… those CM dispensers were never exported to Germany, let alone used on that plane. They’re modifications that were designed during the war in Afghanistan when the MiG-23BN was mostly grounded.
You say you can not agree with what I said and then you underpin my pont?
they were on the mig23ML and MLA, germany already has them. (its the long and thin flare and chaff dispensers on top of the fuselage)
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Add those and Bump MiG-23BN by +1.3 BR
The MiG-23BN armed with all of those would certainly bump from 9.7 BR to 10.7 as bare minimum
hunter f58 has flares, aim 9j, agm65 at 9.7
f5c is at 10.3 with Afterburner, aim9’s and flares.
why the bias?
Yes, although Germany never received those in real life, much less on the MiG-23BN in export.
The MiG-23BN never had them in the USSR, why would it have also had them in the GDR?
9.7 for a premium, not bi-sonic capable and having one of the worst turn radius,…
MiG-23 is far more capable than Hunter.
at least it can flare when fired a missile at. mig 23 cant. only advantage is max speed and turn at wings fully out
damn your right…
my bad. they only had the downwards firing 12 large calibre ones
Well at 9.7 currently most missiles are avoidable simply by maneuvering (IR rear-aspect missiles), by being careful to specific ennemies (not going head-on to any Attackers having all-aspect missiles), and by flying fast and close to the ground (in case of FOX-1 // SARH missiles)
Sooo,… if you don’t know what to do in order to dodge those missiles check youtube → there is some videos which are explainning you how to do it.
the issue is within your own statement. i wouldnt complain about the missiles i CAN dodge but the ones i cant. i can dodge every 10G missile.
30G missiles even 9L’s i can out-energy provided im at 1.5-1.9km for the r-60 and 2.3-2.5km for the 9L’s but my worst enemy…
the Aim9G. long burn time, 20G and keep chasing ya.
dosen help that i cant tell which harriers are carrying it or which even can.
plus the mere presence of all aspect missileers blocks off a large portion of the important map areas (near bases). so the mig23BN cant do its one job.
so that makes it quite useless expecially considering how some spammed strike jets can out speed it with full loads and take all bases before the 23BN can
Not even those. No MiG-23BN was ever fitted with CM dispensers aside from perhaps the converted SPS-141 jam pod.
9G will loose track of you if take time to face it.
Most 9G spammers launched it at long range like 2km away,… and the missile will loose you if you do the following:
Turn to face it, cut afterburner when you’re perpendicular to it, continue turn, and vary your altitude, to avoid being in the fuze range
cant do that if im loaded plus going mach 1 (initial bombing run) plus it dosent help that somehow the harriers get there before i can ‘get my load off’
that’s because you’re rushing forward to it, when most bases will re-pop later,…
well sometimes, you also have to drop on tanks columns → less efficient, but closer than ennemy bases, and can be impactful to ennemy tickets as well
It seems that the MiG-23BN used in some areas, such as India, had C/F dispensers.
Either way, the East German MiG-23BN will be impossible to get CM unless Gaijin bends its historical stance on that vehicle.
well they might, the F5C never had flares but it COULD mount them so they gave it flares.
usually i dont worry too much unless the ‘enemies in blue’ are actively trying to steal bases from me. otherwise i have a trick that allows me to drop while being like 10 km from the enemy bases. as for waiting, ive done my fair share of that and honestly cant wait every match.
Yup, just like how the new F-16 is getting sparrows it never used(since the 120 isn’t ready yet and probably won’t come till the December patch.)
Or how the PUMA has to use a broken AHEAD round instead of just giving it an unhistorical solution like HE-VT till they fix it.
Work around are fine…for the US.
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According to available information, the countermeasure was not part of the standard delivery to the MiG-23 BN battle variant.
As an additional, additional item, but it was possible to reorder them.
The MiG-23 was built as a modular thing, so this was also taken into account.
According to the available statements of the pilots of the time (CZ pilots), they never saw countermeasures mounted on the BN version, but apparently there were some pieces in the warehouses, in limited numbers…
According to their information obtained during their military service, the versions of the BN that were deployed only in Afghanistan had countermeasures mounted.
It was also possible to install 2 R-3S/13M short-range missiles on the BN version, but it was definitely not standard and no training was conducted on the use of these missiles.
These missiles, for the BN type, were strictly marked in military training - only in case of war, intended exclusively for self-defense -
So only battle training and as a pearl, among the pilots of that time there was an opinion that in the case of a sharp use of a nuclear bomb, it would most likely mean a one-way flight for them and their plane…
Fortunately, such an order never came …
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