there is also this bug-report in english describing the same problem:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/vQbSF865Q4V8
Radar Search Mode Behavior and Suggested SDC Threshold Adjustment
When the antenna operates in search mode, it tilts slightly up and down, allowing the radar to perform multiple scan passes. The Moving Target Detection (MTD) mode activates when the antenna tilts below 2.5 degrees relative to the horizon.
Now, consider a scenario where the antenna’s average tilt is exactly 2.5 degrees. What happens in this case? The antenna completes 4 passes per full scan:
- 2 passes above 2.5 degrees (operating in search mode, or “PSK”).
- 2 passes below 2.5 degrees (operating in MTD mode, or “SDC”).
However, the game’s current mechanics do not accurately simulate this behavior. To better reflect real-world radar operation and improve gameplay consistency, I propose increasing the SDC activation threshold to 7 degrees.
Yes, I am aware of this report, and I checked it out, but I created my own report anyway, as I believe that I have accurately defined the mechanics of radar behavior in it, taking into account the current mechanics of the game. Well, it’s just easier for me to describe the problem in my native language.
Yesterday, I was quite optimistic about the current state of affairs regarding the MIG-23 radar, and I thought that the problem would be solved with the upcoming update, but after today’s “fix” I realized that the developer did not understand at all what the problem was with their radar implementation. They think they did everything right, even though they didn’t. And I intend to explain it clearly to them.
I think the automatic MTI is absolute BS that only causes problems and they should get rid of it. Plus it would be much more realistic since the radar on the MiG-23 has the option to manually change the mode.
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No, it isn’t. The charts you posted are for a heavier model, the 9-12 performs as a 9-12 should and that chart just confirms the 9-13’s and similar also perform accurately when it pertains to flat sustained turn rate at a given altitude.
Specific excess power is still incorrect, SEP is too low at higher angles of attack imo.
I completely rewrote the report according to the documentation for the Saphir-23MLA radar. This radar has no restrictions on the MPI mode and this needs to be fixed.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/Dcq2es51qZPW
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Very good work. I hope that they will approve it and fix it soon as possible.
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You should also put the mig23 mld in the title
I remembered about it at the very end, but when I started adding it, I ran into a problem: I exceeded the number of allowed characters for the message. I think they’ll figure it out, because it makes sense that the MDL is the most advanced of the serial MiG-23s.
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Iam scared that they dont.
Another thing, shouldn’t this also apply to the mig23m and mig23mf?
Yes, I thought so too and added the MLD to the text.
These radars have their own documentation in Polish. And it was she who became the basis for bringing all the MiG-23 radars to their current state. Therefore, I emphasize that radars of later versions must be configured in accordance with the documentation for the Saphir-23MLA radar
I have the German mig23mf manual, iam going to take a look and see what that one says
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2.45.1.68 → 2.45.1.69
- N003 (MiG-23ML, MiG-23ML (“MiG-23MLA”) [DEU]), N008 (MiG-23MLD), RP-23D (MiG-23M), RP-23E (MiG-23MF [DEU], MiG-23MF [ITA]): standby centre elevation fix
Current dev version: 2.45.1.69
Current WiP live version: 2.45.1.69
Current regular live version: 2.45.1.69
Today they fixed the radar bug that I mentioned earlier, when the tilt of the aircraft was taken into account for MPI mode, rather than the tilt of the radar antenna.
Remember tho, the MiG-23ML and MLA have different radars.
The ML had simply the RP-23ML, meanwhile the MLA had the RP-23MLA, or the N003.
The RP-23ML wasn’t called N003
Soviet late ML (iz.23-16/iz.23-12A from 1978) actually should have RP-23MLA Safír-23MLA/N006 Ametist radar.
https://ruslet.webnode.cz/technika/ruska-technika/letecka-technika/a-i-mikojan-a-m-i-gurjevic/mig-23ml-mla-flogger-g-/
This is because the MiG-23MLA wasn’t really a thing exactly, Soviet manuals refer to the MiG-23MLA as just MiG-23ML but with designation 23-12A, which is the MiG-23MLA.
MiG-23ML is simply just 23-12, also the only “ML” that got the N006, is the MiG-23P or the designation 23-14, which is a different radar from the RP-23MLA or N003.
Anyone know if the MTI mode is realistic? It’s horrible and isn’t adjusted with the radar dish in game.