there is a better chance that gaijin adds the Mig-21-93
prob MLDG with HMS and R-73,s/24RM smh
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R-24RM dont change anything, its just R-24 that works a tiny bit better against helicopters
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Source?
Also from what I read so it have increased countermeasure resistance. Also according to scheme it have also other fins so maybe little bit increased agility?
Source is, go look at the R-24RM thread and you will see what I have said there. All the claim’s of it being a completely different missile are nonsense
It’s wrong, the schematic is false and all the documents I’ve read only speak about increased protection against helicopter, if you look in the R-24RM thread you will see
Schematic is from Markovskij book Советские авиацнонные ракеты вовздух вовздух. Do you have better source?
It’s just a schematic, no other sources mention anything about redesigned fins or increased G load, so the logical conclusion is that it was a mistake in the schematic.
We also have never seen an actual missile that looks like that, because again the R-24RM, by all sources is just a R-24 with a changed seeker head for better anti helicopter attacks
Why, then, would the author go to the trouble of creating a separate schematic for the R-24MR, if they are visually identical?
Mistakes happen
I dont use schematics in a simple book like that as definitive proof that a redesign happened when not a single source mentions it. If the missile truly did receive a redesigned fin design we would have other mentions or even pictures of it
Its not definitive proof but also probably not mistake. Like nobody would add separate schematic and even redesign its fins if it was absolutely same missile without changes. You wont do that even by mistake as its unnecessary extra work.
I want you to reconsider the amount of value you’re given to a single schematic. We have NO other proof of ANY redesign. Nothing ever mentions it, nothing ever talks about it, we dont even have as much as a single picture of a missile with this redesigned fin.
Even the book where the schematic is from mentions 0 changes in regards to fins when talking about R-24RM. It infact only has 1 single sentence about it, in which it just states this.
Literally the only change to the R-24RM is the GOS = seeker. Nothing else.
Altogether, we have two book sources about this missile (correct me if I’m wrong). Don’t you think it’s more likely that he simply forgot to mention it in text rather than made a mistake by adding an extra image that took him time to create? You can’t say with certainty that it’s wrong.
Two book source, neither of which mention any fin redesign. I already did this in the R-24RM threat like I said, I went through the books given and none of them say anything about increased G load, different fin design etc.
I really do urge you to read my response there as I have all the passages and translations in that post I made
Yeah I readed it. That two books is too little for the confirmation or refutation of anything. We need more data. But until then, the scheme should be taken into account, because for now we don’t have anything better.
I guess we just have to agree to disagree. You’re basing everything on a single schematic and nothing else…
Because there is nothing else. I am not saying the schematic is proof, but it should not be ignored as a clue.
Iirc it never went beyond being a bog standard MLD displayed with a bunch of weapons that the proposed 23-98 would have had.
Pls be the one with the PESA radar it would be so funny.
that is the one with the PESA radar there is no other version of it afaik
since the Bison is its own thing