Mig29 9.12 and 9.13 with R60M at 12.3 and r73 at 12.7

[racimazzedine]

Its been years with the mig29 problem, why not just put the mig29 with r60m at 12.3 and remove the R27ER and R27ET and make every one life better, from the russia tree to the other one.

2/ This change will bring more to the russia tree as it got nothing from 11.7 mig23mld who face f18A and mig29bison and even mirage f1 with irccm missile at 12.0, its not fair and they need to do something about it

3/ Russia&ussr tree is the one who made mig29, there is no problem to have 3 different balenced migs, from 12.3 mig29 9.12 with R27R and R60m, 12.7 mig29 with R27R/T and r73

You Can always suggest other solution

• MIG29 R27R R60M at 12.3
• MIG29 R27R/T R73 at 12.7
• MIG29 R60M at 12.0
• MIG29 R27ER/ET R73 at 13.0

[ron_23]

[Poll] Remove the R-27ER from the early MiG-29 variants

Currently the early Mig-29 variants ingame are able to carry the R-27E series of missiles, which is ahistorical. The Mig-29 variants entered service before the R-27ER and those missiles were not exported to East Germany or Hungary, for example. This causes a balancing issue ingame due to the R-27ER being such a potent SARH missile and the R-60m being pretty mediocre for the Mig-29’s br. A simple solution to that problem would be to remove the R-27E from both the Mig-29 9.12 and 9.13 variants i…

[racimazzedine]

That wont happen since the mig29g need go at 12.7

[themadseventeen]

In a vacuum I don’t see any reason why MiG-29 with R-27ER and R-73s should be 13.0 when the Su-27 is also 13.0 but is just better.
I don’t like other options presented either.

Ofc the compression is terrible yes.

[racimazzedine]

I agree but that is not a reason to give up on the mig29

[Normandy_Corsair]

@racimazzedine

That wont happen since the mig29g need go at 12.7

No we just need decompression.

[someweirdname]

this has been discussed countless times since the dev server of the update that introduced the MiG-29 to the Game

Gaijin has stated that the Status quo WILL NOT CHANGE on this matter an equal amount of times

no I do not like it the way it is
no creating the 501st topic about this won’t change it either

yes we’ve tried the official suggestions way
yes that got denied too

[slavmememachine]

If they do this, do you agree with the Japanese F-16AJ moving down. Because it will have the exact same missile count, but with non-irccm missiles if the mig29 gets R27R/T and R73 at 12.7. the flight model also isn’t tornado levels bad for it to be a factor.

[racimazzedine]

All f16 with only 2 aim7 or 6 non-irccm should be 12.3 or 12.0, 2 irccm is 12.7 and 6 or more irccm is 13.0

[BACKRAGE44428-live]

mig 21 bison exists btw and its at 12.3 so this at 12.7 would be fine

[racimazzedine]

Same as mirage f1 series with 2 irccm and 3 sarhm at 12.0

[BACKRAGE44428-live]

a bit different as the Mig 21 bis FM is still better at 12.3 than that is a 12.0 but not unusable honestly honestly id say its FM in game is better than mig 29

[racimazzedine]

They should consider adding mig25 or mig21-98 with same loadout as the bison

[ron_23]

@racimazzedine

12.0,

ah yes the f-16 is clearly equal to the F-4J/S

[racimazzedine]

Dogfight no for sure, but missile on the other side, it can do something against it

[ron_23]

no

just no

[racimazzedine]

Cmon why is it always bad for the usa, but when a mig23mld fight a f18a is not a problem

[ron_23]

[Normandy_Corsair]

@racimazzedine

All f16 with only 2 aim7 or 6 non-irccm should be 12.3 or 12.0

How does this fit in your brain alongside the F-4S being 12.0? How do you explain going up only 0.3br to go from a Phantom to a F-16?

[racimazzedine]

Ill admit what i said is stupid @ron_23 @Normandy_Corsair