@Leinadmix9_ツ
That post was made prior to me considering engines as part of the flight model.
On top of that, that post was specifying acceleration, and primarily BVR.
You were told these clarifications back then.
I’ll keep saying Mirage 2000 is better, and everyone that says I’m wrong are just Mig-29 fanboys.
Afaik thrust is generated by the engines, no?
Of course. Common Alvis L.
@FeetPics
L? In what regard?
Prove Mig-29 is better than Mirage 2000 in dogfights if you’re going to claim it’s an L to say otherwise.
So far, zero people have proven that wrong.
Lein proved it right with me.
@Grossaaaa
Thrust to weight to drag is what primarily matters for BVR and positioning in air RB.
Wing design primarily impacts dogfight.
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@FeetPics
I did, it’s someone misunderstanding my posts.
“Mirage 2000 has a slightly worse acceleration [flight model].” Statshark and real testing proves this.
“Thanks for admitting the Mig-29 is better [at climbing and acceleration.]”
There is only one post in that screenshot where I speak on dogfighting, and it’s when I state Mirage 2000 is superior at dogfighting:
“Mirage 2000’s superior dogfight capability [tighter turning circle] is not relevant to air RB whose engagements are almost always at faster speeds.”
Grossaaaa omitted my statements where I state Mirage 2000 is a superior dogfighter.
Do you agree with me that Mirage 2000 is a superior dogfighter?
If the answer is anything other than “Yes, I agree with you.” then 1v1 anyone, and they’ll show you how Mirage 2000 is superior in the dogfight.
Hmmmmm…
Hmmmmm…
Hmmmmmmmm…
HMMMMMMMMMM…This seems like a pattern. Maybe @Grossaaaa or @Leinadmix9_ツ can weigh in.
@FeetPics
The edits in this discussion are me adding the dogfight stuff because initially my posts never talked about dogfighting.
My posts were originally purely about BVR. However, someone misunderstood BVR as dogfighting, so I added my dogfight takes into those posts as well.
So yeah, do you agree with me that Mirage 2000 is the better dogfighter?
Or will you keep claiming I am wrong about Mirage 2000 being a better dogfighter?
Edit:
“Alvis said Mig-29 is better at BVR. That means Alvis thinks Mig-29 is a better dogfighter.”
Me on the forums since 2023: “Mirage 2000 is a better dogfighter.”
Me since </=2021 online in general: “Mirage 2000 is better at dogfighting than the Mig-29.”
Dogfighting and BVR are two separate things, and if you’re going to claim that I am wrong, you have to prove that:
1- Mirage 2000 is a worse dogfighter.
OR
2- Mig-29 is a worse BVR platform for air RB.
Don’t invent positions to push onto me; accept my positions, and argue against my positions.
And if you didn’t know my positions prior to posting, that’s what asking what those positions are prior to posting.
Imagine being so damn insecure about yourself that you go back and edit year old posts to make yourself right seem lmao.
This is pure gold.
Its funny how when i told you this:
Which clearly means I’m saying the Mirage beats the MiG-29. You didn’t say one of your classic “I’m glad you agree with me” lines.
Its always the same with this guy, state something so stupid that no one agrees with him, then try to turn around the topic so that somehow it seems like you’re the crazy one.
no definetly not, the r27s are better 10km and under.
@Grossaaaa
There are no edits:
Again, my original posts in this topic were purely talking about BVR, with no mention of dogfighting.
The edits were adding in my dogfight takes that Mirage 2000 is a better dogfighter.
@Leinadmix9_ツ
“Alvis said Mirage 2000 is better than Mig-29 in dogfighting, no one agreed with him, it was a stupid take.”
Uhuh… Then prove the Mig-29 is better.
Learn to read more slower buddy, because thats not what i just said
@Leinadmix9_ツ
Me: “Mirage 2000 is a better dogfighter.”
You: “Alvis said a stupid take.”
Yet it’s not a stupid take, and I was proven right.
I also never changed my position, as the forums show I’ve had these takes since 2023 on the forums, and since 2021 in general.
Prior to 2021 I had no opinions on these aircraft.
So if you think I am wrong, you think Mig-29 is better at dogfighting, a take I never had as I was only ever talking about BVR on this topic until I added my “Mirage 2000 is better dogfighter” takes to my posts later.
Otherwise you’re inventing fan fiction about me to argue against, aka a Strawman Fallacy.
This was my original post, talking about BVR:
" Mirage 2000 has a slightly worse flight model for air RB"
Because I was trying to condense a statement like:
Into one I didn’t know fully how to word at the time
That and when I made this statement, the Mirage 2000 had an even worse acceleration than it does now.
@Leinadmix9_ツ
Nice screenshot of me saying Mirage 2000 has worse BVR capability than Mig-29.
What does that have to do with dogfighting?
You do realize that good BVR flight models are not always going to be good dogfighting flight models… right?
Keep ignoring everything posted here, Lein.
That way you can keep falsely claiming I’m wrong for saying Mirage 2000 is the better dogfighter.
Get in your Mig-29 again, and I’ll prove once again I’m right about Mirage 2000 being better at dogfighting.
Either agree with me, or prove the Mig-29 is better at dogfighting.
You can’t claim people are wrong about Mirage 2000 just cause you want to.
I feel like my message doesnt needs 140 of IQ to understand what i mean, but i could be wrong.
Funny enough i think i would beat you in both.
Im in a 1v1 rn, let me know when you are free
Im waiting.
Yep. Many such cases. Reminds me of the time he said that open canopy provides no tangible benefit in sim and then tried to gaslight everyone that he was actually agreeing with them when the whole gigantic visibility advantage was pointed out to him. It was a very funny conversation. It’s nice to see he’s consistent in this tactic.
