The Mig-29G in its current form should be at 13.0 with R-73s and R-27ERs. It’s main issue is the BR compression at that tier, but outside of that it’s fine.
I wouldn’t mind if the earlier German and Hungarian ones went to 12.3, because I think they would be too good at 12.7 with R-73s.
I’m not sure what to do with the Russian variant.
I am not very invested here, but irl the mig-29 9.12/13 absolutely outperforms the f-16, later mig-29s with bigger fuel tanks don’t perform as well but mig-29 9.12/13 outperforms f-16A, so outperforms all f-16s.
Apparently it flies like an f-18 with more thrust.
Citation needed
I would like the 9-12 and9-13 getting its load out reworked -R27ER +R73 although br placement is the main issue 13.0 having the mig 29g with R27ER and R73. 12.7 with R73 on a decent air frame is a bit to strong
umm idk google it, at low speed it out performs f-16A’s, If I remember correctly.
I will repeat my takes again:
Mig-29 is an inferior dogfighter to Mirage 2000.
Mig-29 is a superior BVR aircraft to Mirage 2000 due to acceleration, radar, and R-27ER.
These are takes I’ve been stating since 2021, and on the forum since 2023:
And here’s the data for acceleration:
People have claimed that Lein and I were wrong about Mirage 2000 being a better dogfighter, but they are wrong to claim that.
Edit:
The reason I edit posts is because they contain errors in typing or wording.
Many of my posts I found misrepresented my views so I fixed my mistakes and the existing posts are a better representation of my views I’ve had since 2021.
I apologize for the inconvenience of the original error-ridden posts.
MiG-29 is inferior to a lot of planes
Please ignore this post, it’s a year old.
Alvis is just coping a bit that people can look at this and see that he is just gaslighting.
Based on what evidence?
Both planes have very different modeling discrepancies in game.
Based on Statshark and dogfights.
@Grossaaaa claiming that it’s “gaslighting” to say Mirage 2000 is a better dogfighter. lol
My first post on the topic BTW:
Sorry I thought you were speaking about in real life.
In-game energy retention in the Mirage is nothing comparable to EM chart.
Lein wasn’t with Alvis on this topic. If you scroll up, you can see that Alvis had the opinion that the Mig was a better dogfighter than the Mirage.
Lein then said they should duel, which has proven what he and I have stated (the Mirage is better). Alvis then changed his opinion and is, as per usual, trying to gaslight people into believing he was right.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/tEpebBkb6bSP
GJ lowered BR for vanilla 29 in SB.
Remains to be seen if they kept ERs.
All good.
Mig-29’s flight model being so much worse than it should be, then again even with buffs the Mirage 2000 likely beats it cause even with Mig-29 over-performing in DCS it was losing to Mirage 2000 there as well.
There’s a reason I’ve proven everyone wrong whenever they claim it’s wrong to say Mirage 2000 is superior in dogfights.
mfw:
Edit1: I dont know how can this be reported as SPAM when its literally things said in this topic and required as context for what has been said in this post
Edit2: Once again, this is not spam, as it is just what was said by Alvis previously in this post and serves as prior context.
@Leinadmix9_ツ
That post was made prior to me considering engines as part of the flight model.
On top of that, that post was specifying acceleration, and primarily BVR.
You were told these clarifications back then.
I’ll keep saying Mirage 2000 is better, and everyone that says I’m wrong are just Mig-29 fanboys.
Afaik thrust is generated by the engines, no?
Of course. Common Alvis L.
@FeetPics
L? In what regard?
Prove Mig-29 is better than Mirage 2000 in dogfights if you’re going to claim it’s an L to say otherwise.
So far, zero people have proven that wrong.
Lein proved it right with me.
@Grossaaaa
Thrust to weight to drag is what primarily matters for BVR and positioning in air RB.
Wing design primarily impacts dogfight.
