I never said the R-60Ms were ahistorical or that they should be gone. Gaijin could simply add the R-73 as a tier 4 modification for the 9-12 and 9-13 and have it as the top IR missile rather than the default one (like on the SMT). The MiG-29 with R-73s and R-27Rs would be appropriate for 12.7 or even 13.0 (like the MiG-29G). Also there is only ONE MiG-29 in the game with R-73s and no R-77s: the MiG-29G. The 9-13, the 9-12A, and the 9-12B only have R-60Ms which at 12.7 are basically useless as a main weapon with their incredibly short range and the ability to be easily flared even in rear aspect.
And there are more Mig-29s that can be added to the game with R-73s for Soviets.
9.13 doesn’t need them.
9.13S, 9.12S, etc.
What’s the need for more copy paste aircraft? In war thunder they won’t be different a single bit
Save the time and just make the current ones accurate
9.13S isn’t copy-paste, and I don’t know about 9.12S.
However, giving 9.13 R-73s would make it copy-paste which is what you’re denamding for some reason.
You can’t oppose copy-paste while begging for copy-paste.
It would be a lot easier (and better overall) to add the R-73 to the 9-12 and 9-13 than adding even more copy paste vehicles, especially since those vehicles were actually issued R-73s in real life to both the soviet Fulcrums and foreign ones (in our case, Germany and Hungary).
I agree as long as the f 16adf gets aim 9m
The 9-13S is a direct copy paste, with the exception that it can engage two targets at once with R-77s. Thats it. At that point it would be better to add the MiG-29SM which would actually be an upgrade.
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If the AIM-9Ms rocket motor gets modelled better, i completely agree.
As well as that photos of 9.12 with ER and you still didn’t prove it
There are some differences with data link and launch rail.
New radar N019M Topaz
New weapon control system RLPK-29M
New computer C-101M
Removed L-203 Gardenia-1
Same modifications with 9.12S exept L-203 station which wasn’t use in 9.12
Ok so new aircraft with minor differences is not copy paste and is good but 9.13 with R-73 is bad. wtf
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I agree with Alvis. Lets add every F-16 block modification to the US tree!
Oho so manyyyy F-16s. Truly the power of manyyy
New systems all around, and would be a perfect fit for your 13.0 dreams.
Also I only mentioned Block 1 and 5 for the 9J only F-16s.
I don’t oppose more, I just want those two.
The more aircraft no carried by missiles the better.
@strzelec213
29G is a 9.12 with an English cockpit and R-73s.
9.12 and 9.13 would be copy-paste of the 29G at that point.
Nobody would want another SMT with a different cockpit and better flight model. Its not worth the Devs time. No point of adding the same plane 100 times like they did with the mig21 or doing with the f16
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The 9-13S only has a slightly different radar and would be a redundant addition, especially when the MiG-29SM exists.
The 29G is a 9-12 with NATO standardization (NATO IFF, imperial units and gauges, english Betty instead of Rita). Gaijin gave the 29G the R-73 and R-27ET to somehow make it seem like a giant upgrade from the 9-12 when it really wasnt, especially since it never carried the R-27ET, T, and ER irl, and is missing R-60s. The 29G wouldve been a good event vehicle, not a TT vehicle when the East German 29 wouldve done the exact same job with R-73s if it actually got its historical loadouts.
TXK, SEP1, Leopard 2A6, F-16A ADF, A6M5 Ko, the list goes on and on.
From your own stat-card:
F-5C, Mirage 2000C-S4, F1C-200, Yak-3…
Firstly what does my stat card have to do with anything? secondly those planes are the next and next iteration. The mig29 9-13S is a small insignificant upgrade with only a few god awful r77s as well as that the mig29smt fills in the role as the mig29 with r77. And no I’m not saying we shouldn’t have more mig29s with fox-3, instead I’m saying that we shouldn’t get the practically same aircraft but with a new missile. For example the mig29k could be added as its the mig29 with naval capability and overall different airframe and its own design features, mig-35 could also, but later as its the next iteration of mig29s upgraded for later service and for the “gen 4.5” status and the list goes on. But the insignificant planes like the mig29 9-13S is a small step up which is practically already in the game
It’s me empathizing with you, bringing up “with a different cockpit and better flight model” type vehicles that you seemingly were excited for.
I can also address your Mig-21Bison.
You have multiple “small insignificant upgraded” vehicles in your record of play, which suggests your posts are complaints about something you participate in.
My game preferences are not within the forums purposes, and either way I’m not sure why you steering the main point of the thread away from the MiGs which we have right now to other ones. We are here to talk about the current mig29 and its historical accuracy, if you wanted to you could make another post about the 9.12 and 9.13 S variants.