Totally agree
The flight manuals of the MiG-29 (9-12) say that it can only carry the 27R
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The 9-12 had a different Radar?
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Almost every electronic devided was different XD
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Oh Alvis u are so wrong with that “letter” and still i don’t see that photo and 9.12 with ERs.
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The MiG-29 can in fact fire the R-27ER, as it can fit on the pylon and has the same seeker as the R-27R and communicates with the radar’s fire control system in the same way. The MiG-29 was not issued R-27ERs when they came out as they were made primarily for the Su-27. The 9-13 and 9-12 were not issued R-27ERs in large numbers if at all, and the foreign users of the MiG-29 (such as Germany or Romania) never upgraded from the R-27R as it came out after the fall of communism.
The SMT has a completely different radar and fire control system. It doesnt affect its ability to fire the R-27ER, but allows it to use the R-77. Same reason why the Su-27SM has an upgraded radar and different fire control system.
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- What is legacy MiG-29 for u because we all don’t know which one for you is that misterious legacy mig.
- No they are not compatibil with old 9.12 and 9.13
- They kepp them in service for other reason like money
As stated here, the radar isn’t the limiting factor as it’s already known to fire R-27Rs.
And ER’s seeker is identical in guidance method to that of R-27R.
Just like how AIM-7C - E-2 have the same guidance method and even AIM-7F having a CW illumination guidance feature as well.
This has to be proved. R-27R uses the same seeker tech. It’s still an R-27 missile just like how AIM-7F is still a CWI-capable AIM-7.
So you have to prove it’s incompatible, like you’d have to prove that F-4E cannot fire AIM-7Fs if you wanted to attempt that.
So I repeat that I support a Mig-29 9.12/9.13 with only R-60Ms and R-27Rs for 12.3 to further differentiate them from 29G and SMT.
However, 13.0 MiG-29 is not that bad, especially since Russia has a slightly larger gap between MiG-29A and MiG-29SMT so, they can add R-73 + R-27ET to the current MiG-29A(9.13), and add the original 9.12 model with R-60M + R-27ER instead as new vehicles.
It bears repeating: the more viable options, the better.
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A MiG-29 with only R-60s an R-27Rs would be incredibly handicapped in performance. They should get their historical loadouts of R-73s and R-27R/T. That way they are still competitive without eliminating the incentive to go for the MiG-29G (R-27ER/ET) or MiG-29SMT (R-27ER/ET, R-77 + better radar).
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MiG-29 4 early sub variants MiG-29 (9-12A), MiG-29 (9-12B), MiG-29 (9-13) & MiG-29G never launched R-27E
MiG-29S (9-12S & 9-13S), MiG-29M (9-15), MiG-29SMT (9-17) and MiG-29K (9-31) support R-27ER & R-27ET
In fact MiG-29SMT (9-19) armed R-74M, R-77-1 & retrofit R-77M like MiG-29K (9-41R) and MiG-35. but not ready R-74M & R-77M this year
I might want R-27R & R-27T replace with R-77-1.
2 or 3 years R-77M instead R-27ER & R-27ET, add R-74M and decompressing max BR to 14.3 or 14.7
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Not for 12.3.
And R-60Ms is still a historical loadout.
R-73s would make them 13.3 in the next decompression.
There are already other Mig-29s with R-73s, just use those. They’ll ALWAYS be the same BR as a 9.12 with R-73s if they lack R-77s.
I never said the R-60Ms were ahistorical or that they should be gone. Gaijin could simply add the R-73 as a tier 4 modification for the 9-12 and 9-13 and have it as the top IR missile rather than the default one (like on the SMT). The MiG-29 with R-73s and R-27Rs would be appropriate for 12.7 or even 13.0 (like the MiG-29G). Also there is only ONE MiG-29 in the game with R-73s and no R-77s: the MiG-29G. The 9-13, the 9-12A, and the 9-12B only have R-60Ms which at 12.7 are basically useless as a main weapon with their incredibly short range and the ability to be easily flared even in rear aspect.
And there are more Mig-29s that can be added to the game with R-73s for Soviets.
9.13 doesn’t need them.
9.13S, 9.12S, etc.
What’s the need for more copy paste aircraft? In war thunder they won’t be different a single bit
Save the time and just make the current ones accurate
9.13S isn’t copy-paste, and I don’t know about 9.12S.
However, giving 9.13 R-73s would make it copy-paste which is what you’re denamding for some reason.
You can’t oppose copy-paste while begging for copy-paste.
It would be a lot easier (and better overall) to add the R-73 to the 9-12 and 9-13 than adding even more copy paste vehicles, especially since those vehicles were actually issued R-73s in real life to both the soviet Fulcrums and foreign ones (in our case, Germany and Hungary).
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I agree as long as the f 16adf gets aim 9m
The 9-13S is a direct copy paste, with the exception that it can engage two targets at once with R-77s. Thats it. At that point it would be better to add the MiG-29SM which would actually be an upgrade.
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If the AIM-9Ms rocket motor gets modelled better, i completely agree.