no
MiG-21SMT is completely fair at 10.3, it has countermesures, decent engine, bad missiles and a tricky FM that’s hard to be dominated in the hands of a stupid player.
if u aren’t an USA main u don’t have nothing to worry about it.
Literally all vehicles driven by idiots end up dying because they don’t know how to use them. You shouldn’t take this level as standard… Otherwise, imagine how many Italian aircraft should have a lower BR but are high because most Italian players are the best Warthunder players.
erm, no.
italian planes are some of the best, with good agility, cannons and thrust.
also they have a jet at 7.0 with 12.0 cannons (30mm DEFA 553 found on the Mirage F1) and many of their planes are good and not all italian players are veterans from the alpha/beta of the game
i take it as a standard because if it wasn’t the standard, A-10A would be 6.7, F/A-18C would be 10.0, Mirage F1C-200 would be 13.0, F-2A ADTW would be 12.3, etc etc.
u have a massive skill issue if u can’t beat a MiG-21SMT, which is maybe the worst MiG-21 (excluding the 9.3 one) in the game.
i own the MiG-21SMT and sometimes i do 0 kills and die miserably cuz i can’t see any missile.
other times i carry all my dumb team and do 4/5 kills since the Gsh-23 is OP.
Lol, No, it hasn’t been like that for a long time… What game are you playing?
- Here’s a clear example: CL-14 mk.4 legit copy of the F-86A-5 and somehow it’s 8.3 over 8.0??? Do I need to say more…
- The same goes for the C. 202EC, which is at BR 4.0, while the P-51, with much more agility, speed and firepower thanks to its four 20mm cannons, is at BR 3.7.
- Ariete, as good as it is as a turning aircraft, has no flare, no missiles and is subsonic. At its current BR, it is constantly pitted against aircraft at higher BRs, where it has to face supersonic aircraft armed with missiles. Facing an A10 with an AIM-9L or a MiG-21 with an R60, even your mobility is useless. Until doesn’t increase the BR of higher-level aircraft, so this aircraft remains useless.
- RE.2005 series 0 at 6.0 for no reason facing super props they cant really beat
- Ecc…
SMT can be placed at 10.7 without too much problem. Engine power makes all the difference and it will ease up the pressure on 9.3 br. 21MF however should remain at 10.3 because of the worse engine.
I never had downtiers of 9.3 just like never got uptiers of 10.3 in 9.3/10.3 aircrafts.
Btw are u serious? U want a rear-aspect IR missile carrier to face R-24R and planes with better thrust and maneuverability? It has 4 R-60 which can be dodged by literally just barrel rolling till they lose all their energy.
It’s enough with the F-4E throwing piles of metal at Mach 4 (and btw, in the SMT u can’t lock targets above ~5km).
Ariete is maybe one of the best italian aircraft ingame.
It has good maneuverability, 2 engines + light FM gives it very good acceleration and to end it: 2 HSS 30mm cannons which are some of the best (and fastest) cannons ingame.
Ariete can pulverize a MiG-15bis with ease, so putting it at 8.3 wouldn’t be a good idea (poor 7.3 Me 262), it’s subsonic so obviously it can’t go 10.3, so the remaining BR is 9.3. MAYBE it could go 9.0 with some magic so it doesn’t need to face “supersonic aircraft”.
Also talking about A-10A, just don’t fight them XDDDDD
And if u didn’t know, there’s something called “rockets” that can act like flares since they use boosters which are hot (heat that attracts IR missiles, even the mighty AIM-9L).
There are other aircrafts in similar situations, SMT is not the unique case. Besides, it was at 10.7 before, i played it and it was ok. Engine power really helps you to stay in the game.
ik, it has better acceleration than a F-4E which is at 11.3 (i played Kurnass and the SMT was able to catch me), but with 23MLD at 11.7, i don’t think it’s fair for SMT players to fight against planes which are basically better at everything (especially that R-60 are BS, imagine not being able to lock targets in head-ons like the 21bis/23M at 11.0).
if 21SMT gets R-13M1 (which is basically a sovietized AIM-9J(?)), i wouldn’t have any problem with it going up to 10.7.
I never said that the Ariete wasn’t good, and I know very well that it has good mobility. Read before you comment. I also said that it’s good at turning. What I said was that, at its current BR, it’s always put in higher-level matches, and as I wrote before, when faced with an A10 with an AIM-9L or a MiG-21 with an R60, even your mobility is useless.
U undirectly said it was bad cuz no flares, no missiles + it’s subsonic, and at the end u said it’s useless at 9.3 (it’s current BR) cuz it gets “constantly uptiered”.
So yes, i read ur comment before commenting, get some manners.
A-10s are slow and mostly dumb, it’s ur fault if u get in their range, lmao.
If u face a MiG-21SMT, just don’t let him fire a R-60 behind u and Voila! Problem solved.
Plus, R-60 can be dodged by just accelerating and barrel rolling till it loses all it’s speed. It’s one of the worst IR missiles ingame and has horrible energy retention.
I’ve described his shortcomings, which are noticeable in high BR games.
Are you serious? That’s your argument? The “dumb” of A-10 players? Mate, all players die if they play “dumb”, no matter what aircraft you’re in… Even if you use the most powerful aircraft in the whole game, but the player is incapable of using it, then obviously they’ll die stupidly… That’s simple logic that applies to everything.
What you wrote to me is no different from this: (Example): “Ariete must be lowered in BR because stupid players get themselves killed stupidly”.
As you can see, your argument makes no sense.
It’s not as simple as you describe, especially against an R-60. And I’m sure you don’t like doing literally nothing for the whole game because you have to constantly dodge missiles that aren’t always possible to dodge, since they can launch more than one at a time.
Conclusion: What I wanted to emphasise is that Ariete is strong in lower-level matches but practically useless in higher-level matches.
for ur information, the fact that in the stats it says “Mach 2.5 + 30G” doesn’t mean INSTANTLY that is a good missile.
Plus, weirdly a MiG-21 player will launch more than 1 missile if they know u’re in range, but what they can’t know is if u’re aware and flying fast.
U mean AIM-9L, right? No way u SPECIFICALLY wrote “R-60”.
Yes?
A-10s can’t go over 700/800kph, and they’re mostly american noobs that heard it’s good and know the only button they press in their keyboard is the “LAUNCH MISSILE” one (it’s not the first time a P2W A-10A launched 2 missiles at me at the same time even if i already dropped flares).
If u get in their range, it’s ur fault for not checking how close they were or not approaching at them correctly.
Do you know that there are missiles with a range of at least 3 to more than 10 km and that Ariete is not a fast aircraft, but only a good turning aircraft, and it is also subsonic? Are you suggesting that I play outside the map? Mate, I think you just want to be right. If you can’t accept the evidence I’ve given you, the problem is yours and your stubbornness in not recognising that there is a problem.
Also, you can write everything in a single message, as I did. You don’t have to bombard me with messages, and it’s much easier for everyone to read them… That said, I agree that I disagree with you, but I would say let’s end the conversation here, given the number of messages you are writing to me.