780m/s NR vs 1000+m/s Colt/Vulcan who will win
me, with my GSh-23 (PFM) or my ADENs (Hunter), because shockingly i’d either a) not take a headon, or b) commit and pull off. A guy running a vulcan is either a Phantom, a F-104, or an A-7. I’m never going to go headon with an A-7 because I can run circles round him, and good luck getting a Phantom or an F-104 to track you if you pull off.
Alternatively, I could get the drop on all of the above with my positioning at the start of the match, and start on their tail, because that’s the 100% better method to kill a plane than doing head-on roulette.
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Not the right cannon
lol assuming yourself to win with skills
The fact that you are using skills to compensate has proven the weakness
-300kph
-800kph
-0.4ma for turning around
No it proves it’s fine when used properly. People sucking at the game shouldn’t be a reason for a vehicle to go down
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Go back to:
He’s not even talking about NR lmao.
Performance is. I’ve done the graphing part. Similar to mig15 and bis, cl13mk4 and f30. Should there be any questions about 86k, it’s never as good as a f40.
Uh no? The MiG-21F is one of the better 9.3s (though I’m not saying 9.7 material). The J-7 is even better with a more powerful engine, two guns instead of one, and improved flight performance. That could be 9.7 if given something like the PL-2B
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Massive exaggeration of the NR-30s abilities when you have 1 of them with 60 shots.
Which is not impressive
The F-13 is never engaging frontally either. You and nobody else is doing head ons with 60 rounds
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Compared to what??? Most 9.3s are definitely better
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Correct, the ADEN is of similar ballistic performance, and the GSh-23 is of a worse performance.
Just because a player isn’t good at the game doesn’t mean we should lower its BR. By that logic the F-15 could be 1.0 because people manage to lose to I-15s in the F-15, despite having a clear advantage.
Now you’re just being obstructive. This clearly isn’t a “debate” and you are very obviously trying to argue for it to move down regardless of the implication. The MiG-21 should under no circumstance be fighting Meteors, and if that means that players continue to get their backsides kicked at 9.3, that is, to quote a wise man, a “skill issue”
As I elaborated earlier, you absolutely can win in a MiG-21 F-13. The fact that people cannot use the gun properly and do not understand how their plane reacts to performance limitations (i.e turning) should not be compensated by massively undertiering the aircraft in question. The MiG-21 F-13 is simply not a 9.0 vehicle. It should be 9.7 as is.
If I saw a Sea Vixen in an F-13 I absolutely would be doing a headon because I know that man cannot.
Better than nothing. Besides, if you every try going up a bit, it’ll do some “interesting” things.
OP genuinely sounds like he has a mega skill issue and needs to play better
More handy
Even more handy. Would better have gsh on my migs.
High velocity low mass shells are always better to understand than low v high m.
Just because a player is good at the game doesn’t mean we should l keep its BR
Source: The CL-13 Mk4 ITA issue
As I stated earlier, f13 can hold its place, but not our 600kg heavier j7ii with more drag.
600kg solid dead weight
on a ~6t mig21. Note that the -500kg case for f100a happened with 10t f100.
Won’t you be very obviously trying to argue for an e.g. 86k not to go up?
Isnt it the same gun thats on the J7E?
If so its great at head ons as its like a sniper its that accurate.
even with F-86A, you can be trouble for MiG-21F’s,… because most players doesn’t know how to manage their MiG-21’s.
yeah no
It heavily lacks volume of fire to be effective, nor do you have the ammunition to waste on headon shots
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decompression should start with the strongest vehicles at a BR
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which is what these two planes, along with the MiG-19 and the F-104 are. They are far, far too powerful in the hands of a not-braindead player.
Yes if they don’t get top BR 16.0 or something , lower tier are guaranteed to suffer in every uptier (except VERY specific vehicles).
And as i said in the post… uptier X/downtier Y … nothing gets fixed. It needs overhail decompression.
Everyone knows it.
Only GJ denies it.
Who asked?
F-104 and MiG-19 are not even nearly comparable. F-104 has been one of the worst planes at its BR for a long while now.
I think the issue is people are expecting the solution to be Gajin just sweeping in, and moving every single vehicle up all at once in one big decompression swoop, so everything’s decompressed instantly.
Sadly, I highly doubt that will happen. I think the actual process that needs to happen is:
The players complain (x) vehicle overperforms.
In response, Gajin moves said vehicle up.
The vehicle then starts to suck, but instead of moving it down, Gajin simply moves other vehicles up.
That’ll start a chain of decompression, and BRs will slowly fall into balance. There’s very few vehicles who’s problem can be solved by moving them down. (namely AH-56A, A-7D/E/K, and Yak-15P)
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yes its identical to F-13 mig 21 only difference is engine and wings but its way easier for J7E cause it out performs basically everything at its br