The F3H-2 is lower than it with more missiles and a better flight model and more gun ammo so why cant the F13 be 9.0 F11-F1s also there aswell the mig 21 F13 is nothing but pain and suffering at 9.3 with little to no cannon ammo to stock grind and your missiles are a rank 4 mod even tho F104 gets it as rank 1 while being better in every way
F11-F1 btw is 9.0 aswell and super sonic gets 500 rounds of cannon ammo and gets 4 AIM-9B
while MIG-21F13 and J7II 120-60 rounds of ammo and 2 R3S
- yes lower all F model mig 21s
- no dont lower
- other explain below
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you can discuss down here
why not ? literally any 9.3 is better than it honestly most 9.0s can beat it in a 1v1
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How about move the F3H-2 up to 9.3?
compared to something like the Sea Vixen, the F3H-2 is significantly stronger.
9.3 is the lowest any superosnic can go, and there is a reasonable argument that they should be higher
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f3h-2 is transonic and i was only using it as a example
mig 21 F13 might be the worst 9.3
2 R3S and 60 rounds of cannon ammo honestly id take a sea vixen with the firestreaks any day over this garbage
theres also other supersonics below 9.3
for example the F11-F1 tiger cat 9.0
and its also better armed than the MIG-21 F13 and J7II
4 AIM-9B 20mm 500 rounds
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i think the better move it to move the F3h-2 upwards
I dont see why they are around the same BR as a sea vixen or hunter F1 and able to see the late ww2 gen/early korea fighters of 8.0
to be fair the MIG 21 F13 was so bad it got foldered
.77 KD on average for it according to statshark genuinely one of the saddest vehicles at 9.3
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Im always shocked by how poor some fishbeds perform overall with how much of a pain they are to deal with in many a situation. Will agree its… very limited in what it can do with 60 rounds and only two IR missiles so its longevity after the first fight is incredibly poor. Still able to see a venom in what isnt even a full downtier which is insane
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yeah but you face J35XS or mig 21 MF or MIRAGE IIIC in a uptier and running is hard cause you cant out accelrate most 9.0s also your engine bakes itself on full burner if used for longer than a few minutes
i do think they are also slightly undertiered within current balancing.
All comes back to BR compress either way
Don’t they actually have very good performance speed/turn wise? The only problem is the awful armament. I think the 9.3 mig 21’s are just the highest skill floor 9.3 and should be left there. Ignoring awful 9.3 matchmaking I’ve had fun in j-7II although that one has two cannons not one.
The f3h should ideally be 9.3. I haven’t played it myself yet but I’ve ran into them so much and 99% of players hard turn fight in it, which probably made it go to 9.0.
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Better idea: Raise the MiG-F13/J-7II to 9.7 so 8.3s can have some breathing room.
Thought this was a Tiger tank post with how terrible it was
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they also dump all speed in a turn and takes a decade to regain it and past mach it can barely gain speed
F3H went to 9.0 cause it was the most defenseless 9.3 cause its just so slow
and its like the best turn fighter at the rank it just also cant pick up speed well only slightly better than a mig 21 F13 there very similar
mig 19 at same br is better than F13 zero point to play it since its foldered
donut made a video including it explaining the flaws just go to the first section before the PFM
Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgtq41LXvXI
raise one vehicle which means F104 still gonna clobber them with no one to stop them mig 19 and F100 there too
none of 9.3s can go up cause gaijin ruined the gap that was there for them to move by moving down a bunch of premiums
basically nothing can be done cause this is a endless cycle off decompression and recompression and no one wants to do anything to fix it
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is your plan to downtier everything in the game consistently until we have mig15s at 7.0?
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its not like we can get any decompression been trying to for months but no
its hard engrained in this game they monetize the compression then boom suddenly the F3h gets a down tier from 9.3 to 9.0 cause it performs bad there are three other 9.3s that perform poorly